http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednew...f-baltimore?bffb&utm_term=4ldqpho#.whr8z2V82D So the officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray are being charged and processed. Sounds like this might be over charging some but I think the state and city want to hold someone accountable for what was clearly negligence. So the process moves on.
I fail to see how negligence was a part of this. And I fail to see how it is in any way the police's fault. If he fell, he fell. It's tragic, and he shouldn't have died, but that doesn't mean someone should be blamed.
The theory is that the police intentionally drove the vehicle in a way which would fling him around in the back and cause injury. That is why charges are being filed. It was also a false arrest.
They want a Show Trial, is all. They're politicians, and reality has nothing to do with their thinking and actions. Tossing little people under the bus doesn't bother them in the least, nor to the thugs and criminals they want to appease. Nobody gives a crap about lil Freddy the career criminal, much less 'The Black Community'. It's all theatre and about shakedowns and pandering.
or they are simply jumping under pressure from higher ups, like they did with Zimmerman, despite being no evidence. Either way, I hope the truth comes out. I'm willing to accept that, no matter what the truth may be.... are you? If they did something wrong.... fire them, lock them up, whatever is appropriate for the crime committed.... if they didn't do something wrong..... are you willing to accept that verdict as well? History shows, you won't. Just like with Zimmerman.... your mind is already made up that these cops are guilty.
Wow, I can't believe how many people simply cannot accept that the police could be at fault. Apparently it makes more sense to them to say that this guy intentionally paralyzed himself so he could sue the city. Guess police never intentionally harm people...
There's my stance. I want the truth to come out.... even if it means that the cops were guilty. but address my concern.... would you be willing to accept anything less than a "cops are guilty" verdict, or have you already predetermined the cops are guilty. If the case is tried, and, like Zimmerman, they are acquitted due to lack of evidence, will you accept that verdict, or will you complain how racist the system is, and how broken it is, and still swear they are innocent, like you did with Zimmerman
The problem is the Courts and Police , etc.... are not as impartial as you like them to be. Courts tend to protect the police. It is not until something is really wrong, or the public makes a big stink about it that any investigation even begins. I can understand why the Black community would protest so much. But the burning of Baltimore, thats just stupid, they are only hurting themselves.
What were you doing? Are you Elijah Price by any chance? Well my point is , it was very likely that direct trauma was caused to Freddy Gray, I doubt he broke a spine from falling.
It depends on what can be proven in court. If the prosecution has evidence that the driver gave a "rough ride" then 2nd degree murder is the correct charge. In that case the driver would have shown callous disregard for human life and as a result someone was killed. Totally justified charge if this is the case.
Being tackled most likely. Happens to pro ball players... or just landing wrong... - - - Updated - - - 3 day old policy. With people resisting they often dont cause they dont want to be spit on, headbutted or bitten. You gotta get right up in there. But yes, it was the new policy.
That will be a stretch because it hinges on judgement. If the prosecution shows the conditions of the van, like the bolt, were dangerous they might show negligence. It depends on whether or not a jury sees it that way.
that's not what I'm asking.... if a jury comes back with a not guilty verdict, are you willing to accept that, or will it become another Zimmerman case where, despite the verdict, you still claim he's guilty..... your avoidance of answering a VERY DIRECT QUESTION makes me think I already have my answer..... but please, feel free to say "I want the truth, no matter what it is, to come out" - - - Updated - - - so, you're only willing to accept a pre-determined verdict then?
This was also done in the Zimmerman case, where Attorneys of Law seem to forget the very basic definitions of the charges they lay. First and second degree mean you to have to prove the INTENT to murder Freddie Grey, which is about as likely as getting lightning struck.
I want a fair trial same as you and yes if they are found innocent in a fair trial then no problem. If they are found guilty or innocent in an unfair trial then I'd have a problem. I'm just pointing out the crazy hoops the pro cop side is willing to jump through to defend what appears to be them accidentally killing a guy while trying to get their rocks off. That may not be the case but the cops are not these upstanding white knights people make them out to be. My coworker, a volunteer sheriff, tells me storys every now and then and describes the evironment to be similar to a line unit. from what he has said that sounds dead on, and that is frightening. The police absolutely should not have the same mentality as infantrymen in the field. It's that kind of mentality that adds up to being aggressive and abusive. What would be acceptable or more easily overlooked in a warzone is a blatant rights violation here.
If the cops did not strap him in and he died as a result then why did the other prisoner in the van make no mention of a "rough ride"? I'm not making excuses for the police but if his spine was broken because of the way the cops were driving then where is the evidence of that?
