Why We’ll Never Bake Your Fake ‘Wedding’ Cake

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    If you are in the business of making cakes yet refuse to make cakes, you really just put yourself out of business.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Sure, business people should be forced to make exactly what you want.

    Or so say the gays who send the death threats.
     
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    Because it is our right - to refuse in service to people, because it's PRIVATE business, not governmental and we can work like we want!
    And if some people (and sometimes our government) think that they can **** us - they are wrong!
     
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    Yeah those public accommodation laws suck when you actually have to follow them huh? <Mod Edit: Flame-bait Removed>
    Don't like those laws, tell your representatives to get rid of them. <Mod Edit: Flame-bait Removed>

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    You can spout the same ole rhetoric you have, but public accommodation laws are the law. Don't like it, tell your representatives to grow a pair and run on platforms that say you want to remove those public accommodation laws.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    When you have the loudest and angriest minority on Earth, constantly whining and complaining and dragging people into court, it's hard to convince people what's right or wrong. They will do whatever it takes to shut the losers up.

    Side note...
    Local baker advertises everything but cakes. Makes birthday and wedding cakes for people who request them, which allows them to pick and choose their customers (as it should be).
    If some baker in a big city tried that, the gays would catch wind they made someone a wedding cake, and become their next target.
    Wonder how it would stand up if they advertised "we don't make wedding cakes".
     
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    And you have just proved what is wrong with gay marriage.
     
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    Well, no. Public accommodation laws.
     
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    It is a private business open to the public and thus, falls under public accommodation laws come in. The same laws that state you can't discriminate against a person because of their color also means you can't due to their sexual orientation.

    Don't like it, have your representatives get rid of all public accommodation laws. Good luck with that!
     
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    Eventually, most Americans will stop tolerating anti-homosexual attitudes and behaviors.

    That will be a good day.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Or will tolerate those who have different belief systems than their own.

    That'll be the day.
     
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    Do you think Ben Carson would tolerate a restaurant if they told him no (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s allowed here?
     
  12. Johnny-C

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    There is certainly a negative focus upon homosexuals and homosexuality itself, that is irrational. I personally have many deep values/beliefs that some others do not honor or adhere to... but the notion that I should force/impose any of my beliefs or values, is just something I steer away from.

    Hopefully, Americans who happen to be Christian (or of whatever belief system) will handle all of this in better ways, in the generations to come.
     
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    It's sad that they aren't now.

    Christianity isn't about condemning people, even if they are doing things we believe to be sin.
    My church, my friends, etc... while they may believe homosexuality is sin, do not treat homosexuals any differently than they do anyone else.
    They don't "impose beliefs", but they will not be shy on sharing theirs when called for.

    I know there are plenty who condemn you Johnny and it's wrong.
    My issues in these forums are not the sexual preference nor the weddings.... but the "forcing of beliefs" on businesses.
    I know we differ there, but we certainly agree on the idea that many Christians handle things wrong.
    As do all others on all sorts of issues.

    They are merely human.
     
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    It's going to boil down to this in America (unless we throw out our Constitution):

    If you have business with the American public, then you will serve the American public.

    All of these proprietary interests or concerns stemming from 'religion', are a GIANT can of worms that will eventually cause a lot more trouble than most people might imagine. Better yet... if people want to discriminate against tax-paying homosexual people, how about a TAX CREDIT for those businesses that DO unconditionally serve homosexual Americans. If this nonsense keeps up much longer, I'm going to think that out further and start writing letters to whoever may find them to be of interest.

    And... if we're going to discriminate against "sinners", why not ALL OF THEM? (Let's start with those who are DIVORCED, in some Biblically-unapproved manner.)

    These Republicans and religious Conservatives weaving religion into various laws, will eventually regret doing so; but I admit that I don't know exactly when they'll reap the whirlwind. It's coming.
     
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    Eh, but how far are you going to force a business to "serve" ?

    They already serve the public. Gays are not refused service. It's the "event" the businesses have issue with.

    A baker makes wedding cakes and you want to force them to make cakes for any marriage ceremony you want, despite their beliefs.
    I get it. And many would say "If they make wedding cakes, then they have to make gay wedding cakes too!".

    But if a baker has a sign "No wedding cakes" and you find out they actually do make them for certain people on the side... do you now force them to make one for a gay wedding? You can't really do that although I'm sure the attempt will happen.

    All this will do is force small businesses into their homes (like some of the bakers we've read about), or working unlicensed.
    Meaning....a business licensed to sell ice cream.... will sell wedding cakes by request.

    The businesses will thrive, thanks to word of mouth... and judges forcing these fines and punishments due to one's religious beliefs, will result in blow-back at some point.

    Memories Pizza received huge rewards from straights and gays alike, due to the unfair treatment they received and a general feeling of being fed up with the behavior of the gays and the left.

    Memories won't be a one time event now that people see how easy it is to help a business out after unfair, life-threatening treatment.
     
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    What?!!
     
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    Gays who were served cakes, pastries, flowers, etc.... and admitted to being "long time" and "repeat" customers...
    are proof that these businesses did not "refuse to serve gays".

    Johnny, you know this.

    And I'm not sure why you suddenly see me when you have claimed to have me on ignore numerous times.... but acting surprised with me, over this common sense, is silly.

    Have a nice weekend.
     
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    Hopefully, the laws will be fair to all in due time.
     
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    no, people have the right to refuse to do business with others.

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    Which is...
     
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    Which is you are a hypocrite.

     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Explain the hypocrisy that you see.
     
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    You deny marriage to 3 men, but not 2?
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    No I don't. Point out where I said I do. I actually wished you luck.
     
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    Cleaver. I guess you have no opinion. I assumed you were against it.
     
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    No I don't really have an opinion on it, other than it isn't right for me. But because something isn't right for me doesn't mean that it should be forbidden for everybody.
     
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