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I dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what you think about 97%. That you believe that bull just says how gullible you are.

Climate science is a bloated field that has to keep itself relevant. This isn' about big money this is about having a job or being unemployed. There doesn't' need to be a conspiracy. Every "climate scientists" knows what will happen to them if they rock the boat.

This field was a small field 30 years ago. Almost everyone in the field entered it because of global warming and not to disprove it. That is why there is so much consensus. You wont find too many homeopaths who agree that homeopathy is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) either. And there is no homeopathy conspiracy either only self interest. Without AGW this field goes back what it was, a small sub-field of geography relegated to a few university basement and 97% of climate scientists wind up in the unemployment line. Actually it would probably be even worse as private firms do what most government "climate scientists" originally did and they do it far better.

The big con works because stupid people think it cant be that big because it has to be a conspiracy. But that is not how the big con works. It simply many people engaging in very predictable self interest. You as a rabid defender of the theory aren't party of any conspiracy. You are simply a predictable result given your own personal biases. Just as those who have the same bias flocking to this once small field is also very easily predictable and requires no conspiracy.

You should know not to try this easy "conspiracy" line with me. I'm smarter than you and you know it. You should know better than to try such a sophistic attempt to shut down debate. I will smoke you every time because I'm better and smarter than you are.

 

Incorrect. The vested interests are big energy, mining, big ag, on and on. Just name whatever large multi-national you'd care to and you'll know who's profiting.

This just too obvious, and you're just too brainwashed by Fox and Chevron commercials.

 

If I remember correctly one of the 97% studies made sure to filter out all of the solar scientists in their survey. I think it was the one that whittled a 10,000 person survey down to 75/77 and called their study accurate.

 

The problem with trends is that they are trends, and trends change...often quickly. So to use computer "models" to predict the future trends is like looking into a preprogramed crystal ball...someone has to program both the ball and the model, and often that information is plucked from the nether regions of the programmer (that would be the anal sphincter for those who were curious what nether regions are) based on the prejudices of the programmer, ie, liberal vs conservative. EVERYONE has prejudices, and based on how rabid you believe in them, the programmed output will reflect those prejudices.

In a nutshell, nobody is able to predict the future, and those who put their faith in crystal balls and computer models are either naive or live under rocks. The future will be what the future will be with or without the prejudicial programming by someone with a particular agenda. Personally, I trust nobody that says they can predict the future with absolute certainty. They would then be a co-equal with God, and most of the predictors don't believe in Him anyway.

 

Oh please, you are the brainwashed one. You need this big evil villain. Please!!!

Who do you think are among the largest renewable companies in the world? Big energy. Every big energy company has or owns a renewable arm. Exxon, Chevron, Duke Energy, they do and will dominate "renewable". They are amongst the biggest pushers of AGW. They stand to make billions in renewable research all of which will be paid for by the consumer's carbon taxes. You think that the energy companies have to pay the tax. Sorry but no. Elasticity of demand determines who pays the burden of a tax, consumer or producer. You of course don't know this because you haven't' studied. Energy is the #1 example used the world over for inelastic demand. It is as inelastic as is possible in the real world. Therefor it is the consumer who pays any carbon tax not the energy companies. Yet a large share of this tax will by pushed back to the energy company's renewable arms. They stand to make a killing.

Much like Hillary Clinton alarmists always seem to be stuck in the fricking 90s.

Yes big energy was opposed to AGW back in the 90s. Once ENRON, an energy services company, invented carbon trading they all jumped on board. That happened a long long time ago.

And yes the world did warm. In the 90s. The warming stopped around mid 1996.

 

They're not interested in science, they're interested in pushing a socioeconomic/sociopolitical agenda...

The AGW nuts also said that the Sun has nothing to do with climate, that alone speaks volumes.... Only a moron would buy that logic....

Lets also not forget that these AGW nuts had to manipulate and exclude data just to make their theory pluasible when solar activity matches right up with climate history....

 

My, you are a stellar climate change denier!

Actually, like The Donald, I cheer y'all on. Along with being on the wrong side of history re gay rights, immigration, economic inequality, etc......liberal/progressive victories are baked in the cake for years to come. Thank you!

 

No one denies climate change except for the AGW nuts who believe climate change is a bad thing as if the climate was always a constant until "capitalists" forced the climate to change...


So yeah "climate change" nuts are the real deniers.

 

And what of the role of volcanoes way back in the Mini Ice Age.

Weren't there some significant blow outs associated with the 1646 and 1715 event?

Meanwhile, Global Warming is easier to survive, we just gotta do better with moving fresh water.
A mini Ice Age is gonna play havoc with food production and the consequences of famine.

I want Tax Credits for the Global Warming Gases I produce.
It makes more sense that carbon credits with the approaching Frigid Doom.
WE must seal the porous 49th Parallel. Now more than ever!


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The climate changes alright, but not 2 millions years worth in under 150.

Do the math and check out Scientific American or any number of non-Fox, non-big energy sources. It's a no-brainer you can readily accept.

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You just gotta be flush with BP stock.

 

More Global Warming, get polluting.

 

There were several, but Mt. Vesuvius in 1630 (?) was mostsly responsible...

 

This whole discussion is moot.

I only post on these climate change denier threads to ridicule, but we're already past 400 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere and the numbers keep climbing through the roof.

All done. Pity the children and grandchildren. They'll be studying these cretins in history books, totally amazed angered, and truly embarrassed for humanity.

 

Given you are not a scientist and lack the qualification to make any reliable assessment of said "fields" . Who cares what you respect and what you don't.

No respect for climate science .... Good grief, what does that statement even mean. Are you not impressed that when you look at your iPhone and click the weather button and it tells you what the forecast over the next few days will be ?

Do you even know what is involved in climate science ?

Just stop talking please. Better to be thought of as a .... than to speak and remove all doubt.

While we are on the topic, what do you know about Psychology ? Care to tell me the difference between the Freudian and Rogerian perspectives ? How many College psychology classes did you say you had ? how about Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology ?

Just quit while you are ahead and quit talking about things of which you know naught.

 

Why are you towing the line of climate quacks that have been caught manipulating data and profiting off of climate hystaria?

In what universe can one measure 2 million years of climate data? geology right? ok, well look into continental shift and plate tectonics..... If you know anything about that then you will know how massively flawed 2 million years worth of geological climate data can be...

But hey, just go with the flow and listen to the liars because everyone else does so it must be true.... Yea, that heard mentality has gotten many people killed thought history....

Oh, and I should ignore the solar models that line up perfectly with past climate data right? because you know - that cant possibly be true because it's not popular.

 

Climate deniers?

Do you have any idea how small 400/ppm is?

Oh the best part about global warming is..... Who cares if the climate warms? in what universe is that a bad or unnatural thing? Of course the facts are it's cooling - which is worse....

Like I said - the only deniers are the ones believing climate changes isn't natural - that makes you the climate change denier...

 

400 ppm is that metric of American?

CO2 was 5 times higher in the dinosaur times, yet marine shell fish survived?
What about that ocean acidification?

About a thousand years ago, Euro types aka Vikings were colonizing "Greenland"
obtaining 80% of their dietary protein from animals they pastured.
There are no good pasture lands in Greenland, are there, yet?
Likewise, are the best wine grapes growing in Britain and possible some wild grapes in "Vinland"?
In that era there were written records too.

All, so conveniently ignored over 400 ppm

Nope, Not Me.
I like History over pop science. And I never accepted cholesterol theory either.


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Wasn't there an epidemic of volcano eruptions in those times.
Esp.: Malaysia / Indonesia area. They are always good for it.

Support Global Warming.
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It would be a bitter irony if the global warming idiots were actually wiped out in a new Ice Age. All of their stupid, smug faces get the exact opposite of what they expect, as they always do.

Liberalism/progressivism is a total disease. While a drug lord escapes in Mexico, typical morons are going on about "muh tolerance and diversity". The faster they get wiped out the faster a 70+ year long deviation from a status quo that existed for hundreds of thousands of years can finally be rectified.

 

What he f---- do gay mirage and climate change have to do with each other. As a libertarian I'm for gay marriage.

Someone give this menial a participation trophy!!!!

 

There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary with rate of warming the earth has experienced since the end of the little ice age.



Relative to the rate of warming seen from the bottom of the Egyptian Cooling to the Peak of the Holocene Optimum of about 3.4C in 200 years our warming is peanuts. Actually if anything is out of the ordinary it is that our present warming has been considerably less than what was observed in previous warnings. The 20th century warming was significantly less than what what we see in the 3 previous warm periods. There is a definite negative trend with each warming being less than the previous. This should be cause for alarm if piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) opportunists weren't using the 20th century warming as cause to push their agenda.

 

You dont know what my qualifications are. As and engineer I have to read plenty of journals. I get my dozen or so IEE journals every month. And I'm very good at telling the good from the bad.

Respect is earned. There are plenty of pseudoscience fields climate science is one of them.

And I like how you think that "climate scientists" are the one's who give me my forecast people that actualy make professional forecasts liek Joe Bestardi prefer to be called meteorologist. Actually if you knew anything it would be that those people are one of the main reasons AGW exists. Let me give you a little history lesson young child. The government climate research institutions like CRU were formed primarily to give government accurate forecasting. The problem is that private industry ended up doing it better. In the 70s and 80s these institutions were facing the ax because the guys who now give you the forecast on your phone did a better fricking job and did it a whole hell of a lot cheaper. Early CRU e-mails are actually pretty fun to read because the head of CRU Dr. Jones comes across as willing to perform sex acts for funding. They needed something to justify their existence. They needed something to prevent their governments from closing them down and using better cheaper private firms instead. What do you think they latched onto?

More so than you do. You take me on on this and you will lose. All warmmongers on this forum leave arguments with me in tears. And usually running to the mods.

You should know well enough to fear me. I can squash you like a bug.

I had one psychology class. As for science classes ha more than you. Psychology has a well deserved reputation as a pseudoscience. And your own post just showed why "freudian and Rogerian perspectives" thanks for proving my fricking point. That is one own goal on you.

That is so funny because I cant lose to you. Get this straight, I'm the 85 Bears you are a semi-pro team. You cant win.

 

I always love when they claim 'unprecedented melting in 100s of thousands of years' only to find a Viking settlement under the ice.

 

CO2 is not a pollutant and there is no scientific consensus that the globe is warming. If the globe is warming, why rename it "climate change"? Any who, we are currently in an interglacial period which falls in between glaciations of an Ice Age that is 2.6 million years old. The globe will cool again because of something called the Milankovitch Cycles. That is science. You can read about it in my blog:

Anthropogenic Global Warming Conspiracy Theory

 

Isn't it funny how the denial crowd siezes on the conculusions of exactly ONE study, and turns around and tries to deny the existance of a concensus on CO2 effects and the four decades of research that describe it?