Mom posts stunning photos of her babies, miscarried at 7 and 8 weeks, on Facebook

That's a big justification for abortion, isn't it?

I was once, until fairly recently, vehemently pro-life. I would come into these abortion threads and argue against abortion (it promoted a society of selfishness, irresponsibility, etc; I'm not very religious, so that angle was irrelevant to me). I would defend my stance for hours alongside these hardcore conservatives talking about how you're a piece of trash if you have an abortion, and I "liked" all their posts, and I repped all their comments. Then I'd go check out some welfare thread and listen to some of these same conservatives writing about how you're a piece of trash if you have a baby that you can't afford.

I found the message to poor pregnant women, many of whom religiously support abortion, sickening. They'll scream in your face that you're (*)(*)(*)(*) if you have an abortion because you can't afford a baby, then 9 months later, they'll scream in your face again that you're (*)(*)(*)(*) because you had a baby you couldn't afford. I refuse to be associated if such trashy people, so now I don't really care about abortion one way or the other.

 

Pretty pathetic this gets moved to the abortion forum.

I realize there is a need to constantly argue that these things aren't actually humans, for whatever justification is desired.... but the ones on topic aren't dead because the mother chose to make them so.

Ridiculous.

 

...and we consider chaos and disruption immoral, yes.

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If they have no brain they aren't human. Preventing a human consciousness "from existing" isn't the same as eliminating one which does exist.

Because by the same logic if someone's dad had "pulled out" they wouldn't "have existed", therefore pulling out during sex would've been "murder".

 

That's not the definition of "humanity."

 

Yes it is.

 

Not sure which part of "this wasn't abortion just because the person who moved the thread here wants to argue that this wasn't life" escapes you.

I have no interest in your opinion on this.
You were mistaken if I seemed open to persuasion.
Please know that you will fail with every attempt.

I was only in this thread because it was not about, or in the forum dedicated to arguing over.. abortion.

Unfortunately some can't tell the difference between a miscarriage and a choice.

 

Well I'm not going to argue with you, but it's a fact that brain activity doesn't begin at conception.

It doesn't matter if it's a "choice"; if no one's being harmed then I see no reason for the government to get involved in it.

 

No it isn't.

 

So... the consequence is your unfriending?

lol... ok.

 

Grief can do strange things to people.

For an extremely long time miscarriages were not considered the death of a baby by anyone. Stillborns typically were, but I can see that trying to explain why could be a headache. Expectant mothers have different reactions dependent on their own temperaments and how well they cope with loss. In the old days they were often consoled by doctors who explained the fetus felt no pain and had no cerebral function capable of self awareness. For some women this was a comfort, but for some it was as if the doctors were belittling their loss.

An expectant mother who wants the child is going to develop an emotional attachment. This includes repeatedly imagining times to come with the child, preparing for its needs, and often sharing the news at least with trusted friends and close family. The loss of the pregnancy is not just the death of the fetus, it is the death of that whole future. The mourning and depression that comes after is real, but the relationship that was imagined never had a chance to begin. This conflict often creates an inability for the expectant mother to express what she is going through.

If posting pictures of the dead fetuses helped her I see no problem. I fear though that many people are not going to understand, and this womans sense of alienation may actually be magnified.

 

The OP made the thread about abortion with his personal comments about the baby parts industry driven by Planned Parenthood.

 

It's up to the mother. Even if the baby survives an abortion, the mother should still have the power to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.

 

But it really doesnt look like a baby or a human being. Look how small it is, there is no consciousness or sentience yet. If anything, this picture only solidifies my stance in favor of early-term abortion being legal.

 

So what was your point? And the OP had to do with miscarriages, natural abortions.......how are they related to late term abortions?

 

They do turn off a lot of people with their hypocrisy....

 

So why is God creating women with imperfect uterus?
It looks as though God has no problem with aborting a fetus.
It looks as though God does not feel that every fertilized egg is that important.

 

Did I imply it was something different (and no, that is not the only consequence)

 

So you didn't really read the OP.....here's part:

"""In light of the recent revelations of the baby part industry driven by Planned Parenthood, this woman has courage for sharing with the world what needs to be shared. We can no longer sit idly by as hundreds of thousands of babies are slaughtered each year. We as taxpayers can no longer allow our tax dollars to go to the executioners at Planned Parenthood.

When you view the photo of the 8 week old baby, do you deny that it's human?

When you view the photo of the 8 week old baby, can you still insist that it is right and just to kill that baby?""""




There is no difference between miscarriage and choice since that's apples and oranges...

There is no difference between miscarriage and abortion .


....and as one poster observed, even god approves...

 

I do not recall ever being to a funeral that had a photo of the deceased for people to take--EVER. The programs have the pre-printed praying hands, cross, wildlife scene or whatever that they zip through the laser printer and churn out in about half an hour.

I didn't say it was. I was talking about people putting graphic crap out there to ambush people with, though somebody did post the picture as part of a link to a story about it. The Duggar's themselves did not put it on facebook, but some media outlet did and the person linked the story with the image.

Or you are.

 

And there will be some who will read what I wrote and say, "Oh, you obviously didn't really care about abortion if you can just flip sides over night."

But the fact is, a) I didn't flip sides. I still believe abortion promotes selfishness and irresponsibility and still wouldn't feel upset if it were banned, and b) it was far from an overnight decision. It took several years of disgusting rhetoric from many other pro-lifers to push me out of their camp.

Basically, I come to see both the good and the bad in it, so I can no longer muster up the enthusiasm to get angry about it anymore.

 

I understand your position, I think they are hypocrits but this is where we are.

 

My thing is whether you want to Be Pro-Choice or Pro-life, at least don't get so wound up in your own position that you lose any sense of basic decency in the public square to which children will be exposed. There is plenty hypocrisy to go around. I am pro-choice, pro-access to birth control and anti-planned parenthood which I see as a racist organization. To some that makes me a hypocrite. I am all for trying to lower the incidents of abortion. I have argued here that I oppose us funding abortion programs on third world countries. I do not consider it money well-invested. I want to lower abortion rates by increasing wealth. To increase wealth, these third world and inner city places need infrastructure and housing and schools and basic healthcare and work. As I said on another thread recently, I think abstinence only education and expanding planned parenthood, especially in the 3rd world, are both "Let them eat cake" policies.

 

so she had two natural abortions... it happens.....

 

Republicans say it depends how much money mom has...

Bush and Texas
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html