robots will take your job in the future if you dont fight back now

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  1. trucker

    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.fastcompany.com/3050757/...w-to-plan-now-for-tomorrows-robotic-workforce
    like the old frog being slowly cooked in a warming pot not knowing he will croak in a hr or so, so are we in the us as corporations are turning up the heat with robotics and will eliminate our jobs and the government will have no need for us anymore and we will become extra weight to be takenout to the corn field..you can put your head in the sand and hope it doesn't happen or your can wakeup to the matrixers are the machines
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    most jobs can be virtual eliminated by machines

    [video=youtube;lt-udg9zQSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-udg9zQSE[/video]
     
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    sunnyside Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there's a place for "fighting back" except in the realm in international treaties at some point down the line. Though I'm not sure how meaningful those could be. There are just too many advantages for any nation that continues to advance their technology.

    Instead I think it falls to us both as individuals and society to plan for how to handle the changes of ever increasing automation and technology in general.
     
  4. redeemer216

    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you see the elimination of the need for menial jobs a problem? When resources are so widely available because of automation and high technology, why would these kinds of jobs be necessary? This is why capitalism cannot work in the future. It relies on the relationship between employee and employer, and when employees are no longer necessary, the system needs to be eliminated. Thankfully, it doesn't all change at once, and we have time. Embrace it and evolve or fight it, you decide which is the better solution. I'm not saying socialism as the end all is the answer to everything either, but something similar needs to be eventually put into place when automation becomes more and more inevitable. Anyways, with more automation, there will just be more and more jobs which need more education (more engineering and maintenance type careers). This would also allow more pure research (specialization), when everyone base needs can be provided as public goods (allowable because of automation making the cost of basic needs approach zero).
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it appears nobody fighting it why? because bankers and corporations are holding all the ace cards in a stack deck of there favor, so there must be a counter fight coming or just become extinct as a human species, the elite corporations don't know they will be also replaced and they are suicidal full of lust for productively towards stockholders and 401 kers
     
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    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying that embracing automation does not involve fighting (changing) the current economic system, because it necessarily does.
     
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    More leisure time to sit back and enjoy the fruits of government entitlement programs.
     
  8. sonofthunder73

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    With gradual increases in artificial intelligence, this whole robot thing might get very interesting as time goes on. Sounds like silly sci-fi stuff, I'm sure, but it's a real thing that scientists are working on.

    You can look at the major advances that they've made in medical technology (implants, and the like) to get an idea of the types of things that are in development, if you're so inclined.
     
  9. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tax the robot.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
  10. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Don't worry, this will only destroy the poor and also the well paying jobs.

    You'll still be able to start your own company. And with the AI robots filling your employment lines you don't ever have to look at another crazy human ever again.
     
  11. Meta777

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    We don't necessarily need to fight the automation itself, nor should we, but what we will need to do is to adapt as a society.
    There may well be a fight to enact such adaptation, though there really shouldn't need to be.

    I agree with you that there will eventually come a time when automation is so prevalent that most jobs are going to go by the wayside.
    All that'll be necessary to live will be some raw natural resources and a few machines. We cannot however assume that we'll all automatically have access to said machines, resources, and or the value they produce,...Rather, if we want such to be the case, we as a society are going to have to actively make it the case by considering how such resources, machines, and value are distributed.

    That does not necessarily imply the forced seizure of private property such as the automation, and it isn't necessary that that automation be destroyed or resisted in some way either. On the contrary, it should be embraced. But we will need to make some changes nonetheless. I have a proposal for how we could go about making such changes, though, fair warning, my proposal does involve taxation of federally issued fiat currency. Some folks may not like that, but ultimately, it comes down to whether we want an economy in which only select private owners of machines and raw resources can live, or if we want to set things up so that the benefits of these machines and the raw natural resources reaches everyone.....

    My suggestion to achieve the latter is as follows:

    Phase 1: As automation begins to displace workers: Government should do more to provide for basic needs, by hiring a portion of the displaced to improve the country's various infrastructures (as it relates to food, water, housing, transportation, communication, power, etc.) in areas where the private sector falls short, as well as hiring folks to produce affordable personal automation (and or the resources to run it) at such a time that such automation becomes singularly sufficient to handle the roles of the aforementioned infrastructures. Costs for all this should be offset, in part by user/purchase-fees, and in part by increased taxes on the most wealthy.

    Phase 2: As everyone's basic needs are met: The standard workweek should be reduced where possible, spreading out existing work across an increased # of people, and freeing up time for those who were already employed. Employees should also be afforded more paid vacation, more medical/paternity leave time, etc. etc. Costs here will be offset by an automation-induced increase in productivity.

    Phase 3: As people come to have more time on their hands: Government should begin investing more into education, research (cures for diseases, space exploration, additional automation etc.), and training, as well as hiring people to provide for recreational needs, by creating, operating, and maintaining a larger number of parks, community centers, tennis courts, swimming pools, equipment depots, sports orgs., etc. etc. and even branching out into art and music commissions.

    Phase 4: Once everything is fully automated: Government simply needs to ensure that the perpetual benefits yielded from the marriage of automation with the natural resources continues to reach everyone. In such a scenario, work itself might become a luxury of recreational nature. It might even be the case that some begin to pay others for the opportunity to work, not because they needed to, or as an intermediate step to get something they wanted, but because work itself was what they wanted. This, in my opinion, is where we want to reach.


    In summary,...
    -hire people to provide for basic needs by supporting our society's infrastructures/any automation which takes the role of that infrastructure
    -hire people to free up time for others/changing labor laws to do the same after basic needs are met
    -hire people to provide for recreational needs, and to promote education and research, and
    -continue to do all of the above as needed (if needed) once 100% automation has been achieved.

    -Meta
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    They warned us of this many many years ago. Computers were supposed to take our jobs, mobile phones were to take jobs as were automated phone exchanges. Emails were to do away with snail mail

    Progress continues and I truly wish though that robots would take away those jobs in the third world countries that are stealing lives

    The children in Ghana burning E=wate for precious metals - the killer mines where people mine sulphur and other toxic chemicals - the slave factories of Asia
     
  13. Belch

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    All of this hand-wringing over robby the robot taking our jobs is amusing. The fact is, it's all good. The problem with you chicken little luddites is that you're not thinking third dimensionally. You're thinking that Robby and you are all part of some intertwined economy where Robby is going to become so efficient at making whiskey that you won't be able to do anything nearly as good as he can.

    This is true. You won't be able to compete with Robby. That's okay. You can't compete with him now, and you sure won't be able to compete with him tomorrow when the Robby 2.0 version is put to work.

    But guess what. You can still plant beans, you can still chop trees, and you can still make fire. You can still make do with everything you need, without getting angry at Robby. Haven't you guys learned anything from the Amish yet? Their horse and buggies haven't been made obsolete by general motors or british leyland. Their bibles are still the old fashioned kind with pages, and their candles still burn just as brightly as they have ever burned. They live surrounded by Robbies, yet they seem to be doing okay despite not being able to compete with him. Rob hasn't taken their jobs, has he?

    So relax, and stop worrying about technology. You don't have to compete with it. All you need to survive are things that we humans have known how to do since we were hunting dinosaurs.
     

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