If abortions were made illegal, what penalty should be imposed?

To all pro lifers, what penalty should one receive for getting an abortion. You people love to call abortion "murder" killing babies, ect. Should the person getting an abortion and the abortion provider be charged with manslaughter?

 

There have been other threads asking the same questions......no Anti-Choicer ever answers.....they squirm and wriggle but never come right out and say "abortion is murder so a woman who has one should be either executed or imprisoned for life".....no guts

 

Off the top of my head I'd say at least a year of community service at a Woman's clinic sounds reasonable.

 

For MURDER !?!?!

Really!

 

Then it is not "murder" is it, or are you forgetting than in the US an accomplice who may not actually commit the crime is charged as if they did commit the crime ergo if abortion is deemed as murder the doctor AND the woman would both be charged and if convicted sentenced as murderers, in some states that would include consideration of the death penalty (especially if the murder was planned, which in the case of abortion it would be). Here is a list of mandatory sentences for each state for first degree murder;

District of Columbia - Between 30 years and life without parole (parole eligibility: 30 years if life without parole is not imposed)
Alabama - Death penalty or life without parole
Alaska - 20–99 years
Arizona - Death penalty, Life without parole, or Life with parole in 25 years
Arkansas - 10–40 years or Life without parole
California - 25 years to life
Colorado - Death penalty or life without parole
Connecticut - Life in prison without parole, 20 to life, or 50 years
Delaware - Death penalty or Life Without Parole
Florida - Death penalty or life without parole
Georgia - Death, Life without parole, or Life with parole eligibility in 30 years
Hawaii - Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, with possible commuting of sentence by governor to life imprisonment with parole at the end of twenty years of imprisonment.
Idaho - Death, Life without Parole, or 20 years to Life.
Illinois - 20–60 years
Indiana - Between 45 and 65 years
Iowa - Life Imprisonment Without Parole
Kansas - Life (parole after 25 years or 50 years in aggravating circumstances)
Kentucky - Death Penalty, Life Without Parole, Life with parole eligibility in 25 years, Life with parole eligibility in 20 years, or 20 to 50 years
Louisiana - Death or life without parole
Maine - Life without parole or not less than 25 years
Maryland - Life without parole, or 25 years to Life
Massachusetts - Life without parole
Michigan - Life without parole
Minnesota - Life without parole or life with parole eligibility after 30 years
Mississippi - Death, Life without parole, or Life with parole in 10 years
Missouri - Death or Life without parole
Montana - Death, Life without parole, or 10–100 years
Nebraska - Life (No parole)
Nevada - Death (aggravating circumstances), Life without parole, 20 years to Life or 20 to 50 years
New Hampshire - Life without parole
New Jersey - Not less than 30 years or Life (minimum 63.75 years)
New Mexico - Minimum of 30 years
New York - 20–25 years to life, Life without Parole
North Carolina - Death or Life without Parole
North Dakota - Life without Parole or 30 years to Life
Ohio - Life without Parole, Life with Possibility of Parole after 20, 25, or 30 years
Oklahoma - Death Penalty, Life without Parole, or Life with parole eligibility after 38 years
Oregon - Death Penalty, Life without Parole, or Life with parole eligibility after 30 years
Pennsylvania - Death Penalty or Life (no parole)
Rhode Island - Life without parole or Life (parole after 15 years)
South Carolina - Death, Life without parole, 30 years to Life or 30 years in prison
South Dakota - Death penalty or Life without parole
Tennessee - Death, Life without parole, or Life with parole eligibility after 35 years
Texas - Death penalty or life imprisonment without parole
Utah - Death penalty, life without parole, or life with parole in 25 years
Vermont - 35 years to life
Virginia - Between 20 years and life imprisonment (parole eligibility for life sentence: 15 years, 25 years if the victim was under the age of 1
Washington - Life imprisonment or not less than 25 years
West Virginia - Life without parole or 15 years to life
Wisconsin - Minimum of 20 years to Life, Life imprisonment without parole
Wyoming - Death penalty or life imprisonment without parole.

So tell me again that abortion is murder and if so you HAVE to support the sentences laid down for that crime, otherwise it simply is not murder.

 

No arguments from me. Without a doubt you libs convinced me. I change my leniency stance... I'd say a min of 3 yrs and maximum of 10 yrs. Actually you guys are correct. A harsher penalty makes more sense. Thanks

 

Still does not adhere to the mandatory sentencing for 1st degree murder, try again.

are you willing to support a death penalty sentence or a life imprisonment sentence, if not why not?

 

Many states hold the sentencing of a minimum of 10 years with a maximum no greater then 99 years for convinced Fetucide a.k.a Willingly killing an unborn child.

To me the moral issue of Abortion is not about religious views, or if its classified as life or not. It all comes down to responsibility. Women have the right to do what they will with their bodies, and sure some risks will be taken, but if you knowingly step on those risks and the outcome is not in your favor. You are out of luck and have to live with the repercussions of your actions. It seems like this is becoming a issue that leads people to be less responsible for their actions. You can go to any hospital, any clinic and any Planned Parenthood (Assuming they will still be open) and get condoms for free, latex or not.

If someone can be charged for killing a fetus in a car accident, shouldn't we charge those who go out of their way to kill them? Will you let the Driver go scott free if it happens to you? Would you pay him? Thank him? I think not.

 

""""Women have the right to do what they will with their bodies, and sure some risks will be taken, but if you knowingly step on those risks and the outcome is not in your favor. You are out of luck and have to live with the repercussions of your actions. """"


So let's go to the old "mountain climbing" analogy. You take a big risk mountain climbing and you contend that if you fall while mountain climbing you should have to just lay there with your injuries and no one should rescue you or give you medical care because you took a risk.
You should live with the repercussions of your actions. Correct?

IF someone else kills a fetus they are charged under the UVVA law. They, like those who want to take away a woman's right to choose, took away the woman's rights to choose pregnancy.

The UVVA laws address the killing of a fetus AND have a clear exemption concerning abortion, a separate matter.


NO one can determine what other people's "responsibilities" are.....a woman who gets pregnant and doesn't want or can't afford a kid is acting responsibly(to me) by having an abortion. I think it's irresponsible to have a kid you don't want and can't afford....and if you do you are certainly not doing the kid a favor.

 

You do realise that UVVA type laws are based around the consent of the female don't you?

Hmm, if that were the case then no person who EVER involved themselves in ANY pursuit that involved risk would be allowed treatment for any injuries incurred in taking that risk. I also hope you realise that no person can be legally forced to sustain the life of another even IF they originally consented to do so .. consent can be withdrawn at any time for any reason.

Again this falls down to consent.

 

Easy to say when you know you will never, ever be pregnant, isn't it?

 

Death Penalty for all involved including the father who is an absolute accessory.

 

Is that because you're "Pro-LIFE" ??

 

I suppose if pressed the answer to that is yes.But, I do believe if abortion is outlawed then men must be punished too, and just as severely as those involved with the abortion. That would be one of the risks of getting laid for men.

 

The father has nothing to do with the abortion.......unless he held a gun to the woman's head and forced her to have an abortion and then why should she get the death penalty?


How can you be "Pro-Life" and want people killed??

 

Oops I ought to have said I was pro choice or more accurately pro death not pro life. Let's face it abortion is about killing. Just as being pro life is really about controlling women.

Absolutely he did. He had sex. It was a chance he took. He got the woman pregnant, he dies. I was in the military, I could not really be considered pro life.

 

You don't kill people because they took a chance or a risk, unless that chance or risk involves breaking the law, last I heard sexual intercourse was not illegal. A man does not "get a woman pregnant"

 

The father has absolutely no control over whether the woman has an abortion or not (as it should be). What don't you get about that?

The OP is about abortion and the punishment not the punishment for getting someone pregnant .


I think you'll have a hard time getting the death penalty for getting someone pregnant or even making it against the law.


And Pro-Choice is not "pro-death" ...it's Pro-CHOICE.

 

Well in your case we will pluck the feathers from the stork.

Of Course the law will not change. Men would hate to take any kind of responsibility.
Pro choice is absolutely pro death. It is killing.

 

Maybe you should look up "choice" in the dictionary.


Pro-Choice means the woman has the right to choose what to do with her body, whether to have an abortion or give birth.
Giving birth isn't killing.

Pro-Choice does not mean forcing abortion as "Pro-Life" means forcing pregnancy.


....and the "father" has nothing to do with it.

 

Pro choice means a woman has the choice to kill her baby or not. Perhaps since I believe men ought to be killed if abortion was Mage illegal, I should also demand they get a say in whether a baby be aborted or not. Hmm, interesting thought. Although, if that happened I would demand men help pay the costs of the mother during her pregnancy.

Of course the father does. He gets her pregnant. That plays a huge part. I liken it to liberal positions on gun control. Just as liberals want to punish gun makers for their indirect role in mass shootings, I want to punish men for the indirect role they play if abortion is made illegal.
I don't see the issue myself.

 

Anyone who kills a living human that has done nothing to harm or has not been an aggressor should be thrown in prison for murder.

Remember, you were born because your parents didn't decide to have you brutally murdered and capitalized on.

 

I'm sorry your lack of biological knowledge leads you to utter moronic statements .. perhaps a little education would help you understand more.

 

The lack of research and knowledge in the above is astounding.