Four tired arguments against gun control

The four pro-gun arguments everyone is sick of hearing. 33,000 people a year in the US are killed by firearms yet little is done to reduce the risks they pose.

 

Please, I can list 13 reasons the antis have for gun control and refute each and everyone of them at length.
But lets start with total gun deaths. Of that 33K well over half are suicides and we absolutely know that gun availability does not correlate with suicide rate. It's really a non-argument and if a lib believes in abortion, then why should you mind if someone decides to punch his/her own ticket?
What libs WILL NOT DO is bring attention to the two populations who do the vast majority of the killing. But it's simply not politically correct since both are solid Democratic voting blocks.

 

Let me end this thread with reality. Gun control is impossible because there are over 300 million of them in the US and you will never even get to a tenth of them. There is not the manpower to go door to door to collect them and there are not enough people willing to turn them in to even make a dent in that number. You could end production of all guns and ammunition today and it would not fix a single thing. I

 

If the guns are taken away, how do we protect ourselves from the government?

And if you don't think the government is a potential threat to our freedom, you're beyond naive.

 

Rebuttals

1) millions of guns are locked away doing nothing. Hmm, how is that? Shouldn't they be breaking out and killing people without people in control of them.

2)
Chris Mintz, a 30-year-old student, father and Army veteran, was shot seven times while rushing the gunman at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. brave man but had no gun. Two officers ie. Goodguys had guns and shot CHM dead , and ended the terror. Yep good guys with guns ends the killing.


3) completely subjective is mental health analysis. No fair way of making a judgement. No fair way of appointing those that do the analysis. No fair criteria other than violent for no good reason.

4) how dare anyone take the right to self-dense away from Americans. What is the argument for an alternative defense for little old lady's ? They have no other options do they?



I see why you tire of these points. There is no logic in the anti-gunners argument.

 

You show me where the government promised to not take innocent Americans guns and I will prove its a lie. Disarmed America is what the progressive want. They want Americans to be slaughtered

 

What part of inherent and unalienable do you have a problem understanding?

 

Yes because as we were warned Obama took everyone's guns.

 

As they did in New Orleans. These innocent people had their guns taken. Most never returned. Were told they were loss. Gone. The government took them.
Did this not happen. Wasn't this at a time these people needed these guns the most?
Trust me I live here. The law wasn't going to protect you. They were too busy either running away are shopping for free stuff. Lawless from the government. Weapons taken by the government. To never be returned due to no actions taken to justify this gun grab. All while criminal shoot at anyone they wish to.
So tell me again how we should trust the government?
The same government that wants to limit my guns and the types while giving AR15 and others to Mexican drug lords to be used to kill our boarder agents.
Sure trust in your government to protect you. They would never take away your rights.
BS!

 

wow, thirty-three thousand. that sure does seem like a lot, but why don't we put things in perspective. every year about two and a half million people die in this country. of that number about half of them die as a result of automobile accidents, while firearms account for around 1.3% of the total. if we eliminate the suicides, legitimate self-defense and those killed by law enforcement in the performance of their duties the number drops dramatically, but i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and leave the total at about .5% of all deaths as the result of misused firearms. that's half a percentage point, not even a drop in the ocean. sure doesn't seem like much of an epidemic to me, but that's what the gun control folks would have us believe. now let's try and figure out what we can do about it, even though it is such a tiny piece of the whole. just what do the gun-grabbers really think they can do? most of this .5% is the result of crime and we all know how little criminals care about the laws our oh so compassionate leaders foist off on the general public. even if we completely outlawed gun ownership, a quick trip across our southern border and you can buy just about anything your little heart desires. from drugs and guns to sex slaves and unwilling laborers, the semi-terrorist state of mexico is pretty much a one stop shop. so an even an outright gun ban would do nothing more than leave us with an unarmed and defenseless population of willing sheep.

so why are so many crying out for the disarmament of perfectly law abiding citizens? i can understand the reasoning behind the average dim-witted liberal, they are just following along like good little sheep, but what drives the media to create a frenzy each time a gun is used and to lead our government to believe it would be in the best interest of the people to go along with it all is another matter. i'm afraid you'd probably accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist if i gave you my slant on it all.

 

I think being dead from a sucking chest wound that has stopped sucking is a potential threat to my freedom. How about you?

 

Not really, you're now as free as free can be, no threats whatsoever remain.

 

Like a lot of people, I am tired of all the arguments in both directions. My plan now is to simply sit back and wait for the bloodbath so awful that even 2nd Amendment die-hards are going to be demanding solutions. I don't know what it's going to take for that to happen, but happen it will.

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What do you mean, I'm not even free to draw a breath.

 

Since those of you are so adamant in gun control, perhaps you should all begin living in Gun Free Zones, take down the gates in their gated communities and above all, Obama should disarm his Secret Service cadre, along with all the disarming security afforded to the Houses of Congress and it's individuals. While the rest of the anti-gun crowd should give up their guns and security protecting them, their homes and families. Now that would be the best gesture to prove that anti-gun ideology does work.

 

Why, you don't ever need to draw breath again, you're free.

 

About 33,000 people die a year in car accidents in the US. It used to be closer to 50,000 but thanks to better safety equipment and highway safety the number of deaths has been substantially reduced. The same can be done with guns.

 

what law do we pass, that will stop 33,000 people from dying every year... seriously, I've been asking everyone who's been throwing up threads, what law will stop it...

 

Not taking about complete disarmament, just some common sense restrictions.

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If no one is answering your question is because the question itself is a strawman. No one is saying gun deaths can be completely eliminated.

 

The four dumbest arguments against guns I've reads this week. 1. Bombs are illegal somehow it didn't stop two (*)(*)(*)(*) heads from killing 8 and wounding damn near a hundred in Boston.

2. Sorry no it happens about 40 times a day at a minimum usually without a shot being fired. Nothing like the slide on a pump shot gun being worked to convince the bad guys that else where is a good place to be.

3. Get back to me when liberals are willing to do something about mental health concerns other than make it harder to take mental cases off the streets.

4. yeah right and the Commerce clause only effects horses, wagons and buggys after all No one ever heard of a car back then.

 

The author of that article makes a huge logical fallacy and is purposefully deceitful. She did the Hillary Clinton thing of parsing her words very carefully when she claimed that no mass shootings have been stopped since whatever year it was. She didn't bother to include prevented mass shootings. Just in the last couple of months we had the Uber driver who had a CCL and a handgun shoot a guy who opened fire on the crowd. Because he didn't get a chance to shoot four or more people it wasn't a mass shooting and thus didn't count in the authors view. She is either a complete driveling moron or a deceitful liar and fraud.

 

Again 2/3 of the dead are suicides. How many of those without a gun how many of those would find another way to kill themselves such as driving headlong into oncoming traffic at high speed? 2nd most of the hand gun deaths in this country that aren't suicides are brought about by people who by reason of previous commission of a felony cannot legally own a hand gun.

 

okay lets assume we can't eliminate them all... how can we stop. just half of them? how about a solution for 16,000 people... still too much? okay give me a solution for 8,000 people... just give me a law that will solve 25% of the problem... still too much? okay give me a solution that will save 4,000 people every year... I'm asking for a law, that can stop 1/8th of the problem... what is it?

(see you propose people are nuts because they defend guns, I propose people are nuts because they say we can pass laws to stop a significant amount of murders)

please, prove me wrong and give us a common sense law that would prevent just 1/8th or all murders, save 4000 people... surely there must be a law that will accomplish that?

especially if its common sense, how could anyone argue it, even NRA members support common sense laws in a recent poll... (problem is the laws being proposed aren't common sense, and they don't even address 1/8th of the gun deaths, most won't even save a couple hundred lives, thats the whole problem)

(and I hate how I write these, it sounds off as me being a jerk, I really do want to find a solution, I just think the solution won't involve gun laws, because we've proven they don't help in the places that have them already, so whats the real issue, thats what I want to drive down to)

 

Common sense restrictions are the same excuses that have been used in Russia, Germany, Britain, Japan, China and lately Australia. Some more restrictive than others, while crime, murder, and violence have not been reduced and in some cases rising. In fact the aim is to control and subjugate the population.

 

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