This is why Religion should matter for Presidency

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  1. jrr777

    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    Throughout your life Jesus proves to you of his existence. satan wants you to think he or Jesus doesn't exist. Every decision we make is influenced by Jesus or satan. Who influences you? The Holy Spirit is our direct line to God. The direct line to satan, is no Holy Spirit. For example: Have you ever been around someone who is talking down on another person, but you felt as if it was wrong. However for some reason you started talking down on this person as well to feel accepted. The feeling you got that it was wrong, that was the Holy Spirit. The feeling you got to talk bad and feel accepted, was satan deceiving you into the importance of you. It's little examples like this all throughout our lives that dictates the outcomes of our lives. As individual's but also as a collective. So when we start to abandoned God from our world or country for that matter. Than the only outcome is an outcome without the Holy Spirit. We would no longer have to make the choice of talking bad about that person, because there would be no wrong feeling for doing so. This applies to everything, killing, rape, racist, homosexuality, etc. It would all be accepted without the Holy Spirit. This is self evident. Look at our country, the more we abandoned God, the more sins are socially accepted. How much more evidence does a person need to accept, the existence of God.
     
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    Athelite Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It doesn't. That's why presidents lie to Americans and kill foreigners.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your hypothesis is slightly flawed.

    You seem to feel that morality and "right and wrong" are god given, when in truth they are human constructs. Atheists, agnostics, and those that follow religions who do not recognize Jesus or Satan have morals and can readily identify "right and wrong" behaviors.


    The idea that without Jesus, humans would go around killing, raping and being racists is ridiculous and has no basis in fact.

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    Here's the thing; I don't care. Your beliefs don't matter to me, and you're not allowed to force them on anyone.

    You'll just have to learn to deal with that, because the days of religious people getting their way because the bible says so are coming to an end.
     
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    Other than the history of governments that deny religion
     
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    You are kidding yourself. Morality "right and wrong" are indeed God given. I can guarantee your principal's and morals are based off God's Laws. Not by your choice but by the generations before us. You see that cannot be written away. If you don't agree, you don't have to. It's the fact that it has been taught to us from pretty much day one.
    How many 10 commandments can you honestly disagree with.
    Man's book of law's would take up an entire library. God sums it up in just one page and 10 laws. And of these laws our laws (Constitution of the United States) were written. Of the 10 commandments, what viable law do we have, that does not pertain to it. If you can answer this?

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    Those that vote and those who don't vote all get the govt they deserve.
     
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    Except that it used to be legal and morally accepted in most communities to beat your wife and children, to kill people of different ethnicities or religious persuasions, and let's not even get started on rape.

    Religion has never done the job it claimed to do. Often, it just makes things worse.
     
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    WITH Jesus humans have gone around killing, raping, and being racist...................................
     
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    When do you think all this "sinning" started? With the first two humans or in 1960? 400 A.D. 1456?


    Wasn't it you who posted : ""There is no perfect society never has never will be. It is up to you as an individual to take care of yourself and loved ones not me, not your govt.
     
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    There were plenty of people who prayed in 2008 for Obama to be elected President, and their prayers were answered. Again, there were plenty of people who prayed in 2012 for Obama to be re-elected, and their prayers were answered. And, on June 26, 2015, there were some Gays on the steps of the Supreme Court who said they prayed for the U.S. Supreme Court to decide to make Same-Sex Marriage the law of the land, and their prayers were answered. So, prayers also get answered when Liberals are praying.
     
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    "Good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, that take religion". Steven Weinberg
     
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    Gotta love the Southern Baptists...
     
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    A fact completely lost on some.
     
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    Except for the fact that the heinous records of atheistic governments can be compared to highly religious ones, throughout history, so the premise remains flawed.
     
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    7 of the 10 would be Unconstitutional if made into Law. The other 3 are common sense. Fail.
     
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    There are no elements of truth in your statement. This is a narrow sentiment that drives you to discard the rest of other religions when you particularly mentioned about a Biblical God. First of all presidents, if they are truly for the people or of the people they should discard religions and speak out fearlessly as a secular president not siding with any particulate religious dogma. There are minorities of Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and many other religious communities in the US or across the world and if a president of a country that stands for science, humanity, charity speaks up his religious dogma or affiliations with a particular creed he becomes bigoted. Imagine if a president in the US say Lord Krishsna may save America what will be the impact? God or religion is a personal or private commodity something you must deal with meticulously. Therefore religion or personal faith a president follows must not be at issue at all if he holds a presidential position is a country like the US. That is sacrilegious.
     
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    Your missing the point. After the United States started bringing in all other religions, (I say other because America was a Christian Nation) look what has happened. Not all but most public school's will not allow you to wear a cross or even the American flag to school. However if you are of muslim faith, you can cover your face(girls) or wear a kufi hat(boys). Now what sense does that make, other than it is written that Christianity will be persecuted.
    Early America sent there kids to school in a church. The first schools were Christian churches. During this time our nation grew to the most prosperous and powerful nation. Over time we started to abandoned Christianity for political correctness. Starting building schools that offered no teachings of Jesus because of different cultures/religions. Well without God in our lives anymore look what happens. A person can deny this all they want, but it shows for itself.
     
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    What is the constitution? Nobody goes by that anymore are you insane. Besides that what 7 would be unconstitutional?
     
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    There were no humans before Jesus and until a few hundreds years ago no black or Asian people either as one theory supporting the OP's message.
     
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    You might want to do a little more research there bud. Christianity only kills to defend itself. All other religions kill if you don't take their religion. Especially Islam. Catholicism killed Christians by the millions, why because the new testament was a threat to all religions. Islam kills to this day by cutting your head off if your a Christian. You have been deceived to think that Christianity is a evil entity. While other religions would wish death upon you for not taking their perspective, Christianity prey's for these people.
     
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    Every one except murder, stealing and bearing false witness (perjury). All of the others don't pass Constitutional muster. If you have to ask what it is, perhaps a return to middle-school is called for.
     
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    Your messages are silly. The great Protestant reformer Martin Luther said that Baptists should be "run down in the streets like mad dogs."

    And then there was the burning of witches in the colonies, not by Catholics.
     
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    It is natural that you feel your country prospered when your country was a Christian country and you attached it to Christianity. Religion at tims is not ineffectual; religion works and faith is not as bad as it is generally perceived by atheists. It has wonderful things that can help humanity, unite to congregate and make them charitable. My friend you are right America could do better when it was a Christian country. But my point is ultimately religion or faith when used for political purpose becomes dangerous. For instance Islam is if you read the sermons of it or the message of the prophet Mohemad is full of wisdomo but later on its followers have made it instrumental in serving some interests and now Imagine how Islamic States have been a threat to the world. Christianity and many simple folk who follow Christianity help humanity but when it is in the hand of a few political leaders it can be corrupt. Let us limiit use of religion to personal levels and let it not come out of that box or else it will disrupt our social harmony.
     
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    Hey bud. Christianity kills offensively as well. You might want to actually examine history. You can start with the crusades, the 100's of years of sectarian warfare, hell, even the Nazis were nominally "Christian" and as of right now in the Congo, the Lord's liberation army (a group who claim to be acting in the lords name) are brutalizing millions.

    And not all religions kill non-believers. Not even most muslims.

    I have not been deceived to think that Christianity is an evil entity. Its not an entity, its a belief system. Its not evil itself, some of its practioners are evil, like all other religions.
     
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    To not have a religion is to have a religion. If a country was nothing but atheists, that countries religion would be atheism. So no matter what you choose it is still a belief/religion. For one we have no social harmony, we are more divided now than any other time in history. This is because we are now without God, and in place is atheism or political correctness. So as solid of a change that it would be, to go back to Christianity and the teachings of it, to me is the only answer. If we continue this nonsense of political correctness because we might hurt somebody's feelings, we are just going to go faster and faster downhill.

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    To not have a religion is to have a religion. If a country was nothing but atheists, that countries religion would be atheism. So no matter what you choose it is still a belief/religion. For one we have no social harmony, we are more divided now than any other time in history. This is because we are now without God, and in place is atheism or political correctness. So as solid of a change that it would be, to go back to Christianity and the teachings of it, to me is the only answer. If we continue this nonsense of political correctness because we might hurt somebody's feelings, we are just going to go faster and faster downhill.
     
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