Are modern trends undermining rape and demonising men?

Who's fault is that? If you need to have sex with an unconscious person then you need to get a life - James Bond certainly doesn't. Either that or you're 18

If you're going to appeal to nature - well brah - the fact is based on human sociology while sex may be natural, sex without any effort isn't natural.

Back in the days of olde in nearly every society, men had to work, fight, and sweat in order to acquire a woman to have sex with - and society didn't expect him to just "hump and dump" - he wasn't expected to be a chase monk but he was expected to be an emotional provider as well.

In industrial societies today you can find a club or a bar in any major city where a guy can go looking for drunk, easy women to sleep with, and with birth control and welfare now there's a lot of times little consequence for it.

The result is we've got a generation of men who's only claim to manhood is being able to stick their dick in the easiest sluts in the bar - since most men have never had to be in a fight, and the workplace has become more androgenized due to desk jobs replacing physical labor, this is the only claim to "manhood" that a lot of guys have.

But you're the one using the appeal to nature - but in actuality a man being able to have sex with as many drunk chicks as possible with little to no consequence or responsibility is a perversion of nature - it's only been made possible due to industrialization supplanting man's natural environment.

The guy needs to get a life if he can't find a woman willing to put out for him unless she has no other option.

If you can't find any women to hump other than destitute mercenaries who are only sleeping with you because it's better than being out on the street then that doesn't say a lot about you - like attracts light.

Assuming there's no blackmail I wouldn't say it's immoral, but it'd say it's pitiful. Since if it was a choice between being out on the street some women would even sleep with Pope John Paul II's body - so that doesn't say a lot about your studliness - sounds like you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel of poon due to a lack of any other options.

If she gets purposely so drunk that she can't remember who she had sex with then she's stupid yeah - who's denying that?

 

Rape is a serious issue, it needs to be handled by real courts not Academic Kangaroo Courts.

 

You're arguing against something I never said.

 

If you're looking for fault, I'm not the one to ask. It's her body, her choice as far as nature and I am concerned.

I admit that it can work up a sweat when it's good.

That was back when women required a bit more from men than they do now.

Quite true.

I agree with this, as well.

I agree.

Now you just skipped to a point where we disagree, but I can't figure out why.

We're just talking about humping, right? Why does that have to say something other than what it is?

If you're in some competition for who is the studliest guy in a room full of studs, then you'd be correct. Most of us aren't so worried about being the studliest guy in the world. We're just trying to get laid.

Some people are like that. If you want to attach a moral attribute to that, then have at it. Find your maxim, then stick to it.

 

WOW.

Real men? given your statement I doubt you know any.

 

Ask Bernie Sanders, he wrote women fantasize about being raped.

 

Yeah, I'd seen in on an internet meme. What's the back story..?

 

SJWs don't care about rape, but because they are lesbian pedophiles, they want to make sure that ALL of the rape victims are theirs and theirs alone.

 

Yep. Real men don't care about "getting sex" just for the hell of getting sex - they know they can get sex but they don't need to have sex just to feel like a man. They'd rather pursue a classy women who's hard-to-get (aka the hunt) than sleep with 10 overweight drunk sluts just to increase the notches on their belt (aka the kill).

And I doubt you get much action.

 

Very much this. Real men, true alpha's, they have self control.

 

My how totally macho of you.
OTOH, I agree many if not most men are sluts who will have sex with just about any willing woman. As to "notches on their belt", those that use that as a measure of their manliness are insecure arses.

I was a teenager in the 60's. Perhaps you read about "free love", not to mention early 70's was the era of Quaaludes. Today, I am a happily married (40 years) sexagenarian who has slowed down considerably, so I guess you could say comparatively I don't get much action anymore.

 

Speak for yourself - I've turned down women who've straight-up propositioned me because I felt that taking something that easy was acting desperate and like to discipline myself not to be a fool for anything with a snatch. I'd rather pursue women if I find them genuinely desirable, not because they're "easy marks".

A woman's gotta prove herself worthy of my man meat - she can't get it if she has no standards.

 

Yes standards. I am amused by your delusion that a woman must be "worthy" of your penis. But then again, most "macho" guys think they are god's gift and absolute studs, despite the reviews.

 

one of my early threads on PF.com was creating a thread (I tried to search it to link, but I think the search is screwing up)

either way, I posted a story about how I thought I was date-raped the past weekend.

I explained how I had a first date on friday night. They were a nice person, had kids, was a teacher, but that I just wasn't really that attracted to them, so at the end of the night, I just went my own way home, with no intentions of ever having a date#2.

(notice how I'm not being gender specific)

I went on to say

"I then had a Halloween party bonfire at my brother's house the next night where I proceeded to get smashed, drunk. It was at that point I started mass texting people, including my blind date from the night before.

Well, in my condition, I wasn't going to be able to drive, so the blind-date offered to get up out of bed (it was about 2am at that point), come get me and drive me home, safely. I accepted

On the way home, I got sick and had to pull over on the side of the road to vomit...... twice.

When I got home, I was walked in, and we began kissing, and ultimately had sex. I remember a condom was used."




well, let me tell you, the femi-nazis were all over that, saying I was raped, that I should immediately go to the cops....

I responded, "I got myself drunk, it's not like I was slipped a micky or anything"
feminazis doubled down "it doesn't matter, you were in no condition to consent and you were only offered a ride home in order to get taken advantage of"

I went on saying "but it could ruin their career, what about their kid" and the feminazis didn't care..... they kept telling me to press charges.


Finally, someone came on the thread and said "the OP isn't a girl, he's a guy....."


suddenly, the tune changed. I asked if it was still date rape and I was then bashed for being a drunk, and that I had a problem and needed to get help for it. I was "victim-blamed" ... I asked why they didn't say that when they thought I was a girl and i got a lot of backpedaling....


This is what I hate about the rape issue. It seems there are double standards being applied.

A male teacher with a female student vs a female teacher with a male student.

who was that lesbian girl that was 18, and her g/f was 14 and the lesbian was charged with stat rape, in accordance to the state law the deed occurred. It's funny that if it's an 18 yo guy and 14 yo girl, noone would fault the dad of the girl beating the ass of boy or have him arrested, but when it was girl/girl..... it was a homophobic thing if you supported the law being upheld

Shocking how that works.

 

the hardest night I remember was when a highschool sweetheart I hadn't seen since she dumped me 20 years prior.... and her new, incredibly smoking hawt girlfriend (hotter than my ex was) came over to my house and wanted a 3 way..... They straight up told me that my ex, wanted to have a kid before it was too late (her g/f already had kids and was fixed). They said they wanted someone they could trust, but then would have no issue with just walking away. That they didn't want any money afterwards, just a baby.

now, I really REALLY wanted to do that. my (ex) g/f and a smoking hawt 2nd girl.


I turned it down, and took a loooong shower where I completely second guessed myself..... but the entire time, I thought the same as you.... this won't end well if I pull the trigger on the night...

Ultimately, I'm glad I didn't. My ex was (is) a complete trainwreck, they aren't together anymore, so who knows what would have happened. For all I know, I'd be paying out 300$ month in child support on a kid I was baited into having....

 

I'm suprised you're married at all considering how little of a sense of humor you have.

 

LOL! Great post....and true!

 

If you're trying to say your were raped then why didn't you call the police and tell them you were raped?

But you weren't, you consented.....male or female consent was given...

....and why date a girl who is so desperate she'll give you a ride at 2 AM, watch you puke your guts out and then want to have sex with you!?!?

 

...why date a guy who's so desperate that he slips roofies into girls' drinks, and sleep with him within 2 hours of meeting him at the club.

You're saying it's the fault of a female rape victim if she was raped just because she made a stupid decision to date a guy of dubious character? Or does it only go one way.

 

Unfortunately the "teacher" thing is probably inevitable - probably because men are more visually stimulated than women, so when the teacher happens to be "hot" they think with their dicks and imagine themselves banging a hot teacher in HS. People also tend to be overly sympathetic to women even when they're at fault because they perceive them as more defenseless (this is even true biologically; the facial features of women are actually more child-like than those of a men so people instinctively perceive them as weaker and more needing of protection).

Thing is though I don't think a young boy being seduced by an adult woman is good for him and could cause him to develop mommy issues later in life - so I agree that the double standard's a problem.

 

Are you familiar with Poe's law? If not, here's a definition for you to contemplate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

 

No, I did not say, """ it's the fault of a female rape victim if she was raped just because she made a stupid decision to date a guy of dubious character"""

The following is what I posted and NO where in does it say that:

Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

If you're trying to say your were raped then why didn't you call the police and tell them you were raped?

But you weren't, you consented.....male or female consent was given...

....and why date a girl who is so desperate she'll give you a ride at 2 AM, watch you puke your guts out and then want to have sex with you!?!?"""




Why do you have to lie to try and make some point you don't have???

 

I didn't agree the OP until I read your post.

Yikes

 

Problem with that is most laws that make it rape if the other person is drunk are not equally enforced. A woman is almost never going to be arrested for screwing a drunk guy, even if the guy claims rape. And if both are drunk, in almost every case, the man will be arrested, but not the woman.

 

Ever get the feeling that some people just hate men......