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Off the Chart Universal and Multiversal Models.

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Well you can't have time without space and vice versa thus SPACE-TIME.

    The Universe is not a 3-D area or volume of Space-Time as it curves back inward into itself.

    So if you could travel out far enough and fast enough supposedly you would end up back where you started but this is just conjecture.

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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh so space-time is curved inwards. I never remember this fact but I think I've heard that it has an effect on the ultimate fate of the universe.
     
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  3. AboveAlpha

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    They say that Universal Space-Time is similar to a Doughnut.

    Thus the HOMER SIMPSON UNIVERSAL MODEL.

    DOH!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL! :donut:
     
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  5. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Homer Simpson said something that transcends Universal Space and Time.

    Homer said....."Alcohol....the cause and cure of all life's problems."

    AboveAlpha
     
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    So you're talking about the _number_ of quarks (or pairs or whatever)? The quantum effects within a hadron is not very likely to lend itself well to counting numbers. Since they are virtual, they exhibit more wave qualities than (what is classically considered) particle qualities, such as numbers. Anyway, how are you relating this to causality in any more meaningful way than any example of causality?
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, people say that kind of stuff. But since I don't drink alcohol I don't know about it.
     
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  8. AboveAlpha

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    It seems as though the greater the number of detected Virtual Quark/Antiquark Pairings there is denotes a greater probability of cause and effect.

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    How do you define "probability of cause and effect" and how does that relate to how you're trying to measure it?

    I mean, we have cause and effect in many parts of life, what would be the experimental method for finding this to be the source of cause and effect, rather than just another example of it?
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Since you're looking at multiverse models I saw this little tid-bit about antimatter:

    Physicists measure the force holding anti-matter together

     
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    OK...this is sort of hard to explain but I will do my best.

    In Multiversal Theory all Quanta have their duplicates or alternates existing within all Hadrons existing within all Atoms existing within all Matter existing in all Divergent Universal States of Reality specific to our one Baseline Universal Reality Grouping.

    When Quark/Antiquark Virtual Pairings are detected close to or maximum within a Hadron this is indicative of that Hardon being a player within a cause and effect reaction which stretches in existence within many...many Divergent Universal States.

    So the QUESTION IS.....are we seeing an indication of existing states?

    OR....are we seeing what drives the creation or DIVERGENCE of Alternate Universal States of Reality from our one baseline reality?

    Do you follow?

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    But if that is true, then the same would be happening in any example of causality, and you'd have no reference point and thus not be able to tell the difference between it driving causality and it being just another example of causality.
     
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    Intriguing!

    The potential philosophical implications of anti-matter forces being of comparable magnitude to electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force in four dimensional space - time........... are a bit scary???????!

    Do you have any idea of how this might fit with the rather basic theory I put forward here:

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    I have no idea how it fits with your theory. Why is it scary?

    Well I notice you tend to mix science and theology.

    I don't know what it means. I know it just narrows down the theories that can be considered suitable to describe our Universe.

    And it leaves a mystery of why there was more matter than antimatter in the early Universe.
     
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    That's a good point.

    It's one of those questions that is sort of like in the movie the Matrix when the Oracle say's to Neo...."And don't worry about the vase."

    Neo turns and looks around and ask's...."What vase?"....and while looking knocks the vase off the counter and the vase falls and breaks.

    Neo say's he is sorry and the Oracle say's to him..."I told you not to worry....I will have one of my kid's fix it. But what's really going to bake your noodle later is whether you would have broken it if I hadn't told you about it."

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    And, similarly, Neo obtains no new information about the case from that source, making it lacking of information.
     
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    The experiment that I have in mind............involves a possible new time line in which the intensity of "Armageddon" is dramatically reduced................. Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow hypnotized volunteers and then progressed them into the future.......... These volunteers saw what indicated a ninety percent reduction in the world's population within century or so................... I am postulating a time line where the death toll is dramatically reduced...........

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391591&page=5&p=1065545729#post1065545729
     
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  18. AboveAlpha

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    No...he obtains the information that another was aware that the vase would break before it broke.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    By a show of hands who has actually done quantum mechanics here? Who has a degree in Physics? Who has done research in quantum mechanics?

    I have to all the above.

    But it was for the lulz.
     
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  20. AboveAlpha

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    Done Quantum Mechanics?? LOL!!!

    How many Quark/Antiquark Virtual Pairings did you....do? LOL!!!

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    Do you even Liboff bro?
     
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    And how do you propose to get obtain that information out of a quark?
     
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    I have a masters and am about halfway through my PhD in high energy physics.

    That being said, I have little interest in the actual theory he's talking about. My interest is in his attitude towards presentation, as well as the justifications for belief (or rather, what he calls belief).
     
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    It would seem that Quanta stores information.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Not to be mean but how is it possible you are half way through your PhD and be so lacking in understanding the math?

    What school are you going to?

    AboveAlpha

    - - - Updated - - -

    Dick got a lot of things wrong.

    But he got some things right.

    I guess you love Dick? LOL!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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