Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Atheism

I consider myself agnostic if people insist on labeling each other. However, I tend to lean that their is no creator of life for the simple reason of why would a god who loved and created every creature on the planet, in order for each of creations to survive they must eat other creations of life that a god supposedly took pride in creating them.

It seems it would be pretty arrogant for Humans to believe that all other creatures were created so they could eat them. Is the lion's life more important then the gazelle's life it consumes to survive?

While religions seem to place the importance of Human survival as an individual to survive. The natural world doesn't care about losing individuals, it only strives to maintain the species group to survive.

 

We already know what the Bible said what we want to know is what atheism said? So you are saying that atheist in regards to rape it all depends on the situation of the events?

Are you saying atheist always knew that rape is wrong since when?

Secular laws are based on Christian principle that have always been against rape.

Deuteronomy 22: 28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

It didn't say anything about rape it say that if a man and a unmarried woman were caught having sex the man should married the woman.

Does atheist have some equivalent book regulating ancient sex during biblical times what does ancient atheist say about rape or sex?
Is the man obligated to married the woman he have sex with?

If atheist automatically knew or know rape is wrong then why are their atheist committing rape?

 

No, most atheists agree that rape should be illegal, rather than rape victims being sentenced to marry their rapists.

 

Just like the old atheist nations of USSR, and the now gone communist WARSAW Pact nations still exiting the atheist North Korea.

That is a given that atheist do not believe in God.
Then why do atheist keep espousing God to prove their point?

Christianity historically has been the only one that stands against tyranny, chaos and disasters. Atheist is a young concept that was introduced by the communist and its short history has wrought massive misery, disaster, hardship and oppression to people and nations it ruled with an iron hand.

 

I can not answer about all theist because I am a Christian and Christianity is not the same as Hinduism, Islam, Judaism etc.
Atheist in general all believe there is no God regardless what religious sect it maybe isn't that correct?
Atheist kept using Christianity to prove their point is there no real atheism without God?

Humanist ignored the historical fact that slavery was part of human civilization and at that time was practice widely no atheist was around to condemn it. Did Plato or Aristotle condemn slavery?
Humanist condemnation of slavery only started in modern times decades after Christians have condemn it.

Can you not present atheism without God?

 

If humans are prone to love not hurt then why human history long before Moses or Jesus Christ has been very savage and brutal towards others?
Are you saying human civilization was very peaceful no Persian, Macedonian, Egyptian, Babylonian, Roman, Carthaginian, Mayan, Incas empires that all ancient empires expanded through love and full cooperation among all tribes and nations?

If atheist are born to know right from wrong then why do they need psychiatrist for?
Psychiatrist are for atheist.

Feel free to respond as always I have no problem in sharing my good thoughts with you.

 

That is based on modern standards. The question is what was atheist position on rape in ancient times?
By the way Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 is not about rape it is about having premarital sex set during the ancient times.
Today, anyone can have premarital sex without consequences based on atheist position.

 

What was the name of the Christian university that brainwashed you?

 

Why do Muslims allow it to grow as opposed to stifling it? We are being told that Islam is a religion of peace. If the problem of violence is growing as opposed to shrinking then it proves the religion of peace is actually a method of disguise in order to take advantage of nations where Freedom of Religion is defended and that its motives aren't religion but a theocracy, therefore it is not a religion at all, it is a political movement.
Why are Muslims allowing this to get out hand. There are over a billion muslims, if even a fraction of them opposed this violence, Muslims themselves could eradicate their radicals overnight. Why isn't this happening?
Do you as a Muslim publicly denounce the Muslims who are sympathetic to this terrorism?

 

Rape was known and punishment decreed in Codes long before Judaism and Christianity. So your argument that belief in god tells us that rape is wrong holds no water whatever.

 

By nature it seems that humans are naturally polygamous. Although polyandry, a marriage of one woman to many men, is rare, polygyny, the marriage of one man to many women, is widely practiced in human societies. Humans, in fact, possess certain characteristics typical of non-monogamous species. Monogamous species are also monomorphic, meaning that both males and females are the same size. Polygamous species are dimorphic: the male is larger than the female. Guess what comes next. Human males are typically 10 percent taller and 20 percent heavier than females, and it seems that humans have been mildly polygamous throughout history.

 

If Christians knew or know from a very old book that rape is wrong then why are thERE Christians committing rape?

 

We don't know because in many of these societies atheism was punishable by death. Just look at Biblical law--atheism was considered a worse crime than raping a virgin was. Also, why would God have different standards in modern times than in the past?

That is not true. The verb (taphas) used there is never used anywhere in the Bible or in any other piece of Hebrew writing to describe a consensual act between people. In every case in which it is used to describe an action between two or more people, it is always used to describe a nonconsensual act, most often translating as seizing, laying hold on or arresting.

I agree. Premarital sex should not be considered a crime.

 

Then don't expect atheists to speak for all atheists. You consider it a fault when atheists don't all agree on something, but you ask us to ignore the fact that theists disagree about the exact same things.

Right, and that is about all they agree on. Just like theists in general all believe that there is a god (or gods) regardless of what religious sect, but they don't agree on much else.

When atheists are asked questions by Christians, and they see a fault in the question, they will often turn the question around and ask the same thing about Christianity or theism in order to show why the question is faulty.

So, regarding morality, you are a cultural relativist.

Plato and Aristotle were theists, not atheists.

That's because humanism didn't exist until modern times.

The condemnation of slavery in the West came about through the adoption of Enlightenment values (these same values later inspired humanism). Christianity has, for the vast majority of its existence, supported the institution.

Again: When atheists are asked questions by Christians, and they see a fault in the question, they will often turn the question around and ask the same thing about Christianity or theism in order to show why the question is faulty.

 

So you don't have an answer in regards to tough questions about atheism?
The question is what was atheist position on rape in ancient times?

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Can you provide us those ancient codes were they from atheist authors?
If rape has always been known since ancient times as wrong then why need codes to regulate it?

 

Rape is just one of many issues about atheism. It would seems in this thread atheist are saying that atheist always knew rape is wrong since day one and that they don't need anyone be it God, gods or men to educated them to tell them it is wrong and yet we see clearly human history that in ancient times rape was never regarded as wrong in fact every known civilization rape has always been part of their life style.

So if people need to be educated about right and wrong this mean that atheist claims that they always knew rape is wrong is not correct?
Or if atheist knew what is right and wrong does this mean technically atheist don't need to to send their kids to any of the establish schools to get an education?

 

It wouldn't bother me.

I've never read a book on atheism. You haven't either, I see.

Scientists don't deal with the supernatural, except to debunk it. I reject supernatural claims such as ghosts, ESP, Tarot cards, astrology, fortune tellers, etc. But it's only the claims that gods exist that concern atheism.

The Bible is loaded with supernatural nonsense. I haven't read The God Delusion, and I doubt you have, either.

Atheism makes no claims. Therefore, there is nothing to prove. Read that 100 times, maybe that will get it through your head.


P.S. What is your native language? It can't be English.

 

There are still Christian committing rape because they still have in them that atheist instinct that lust to have sex.
Are you saying that atheist are all some how very pius and celibate about sex?

 

How do we know that atheism in ancient times is punishable by death is there any records of that?
Are you saying ancient standards should be the same as modern standards or modern standard should be applied to ancient standards?

We can at least conclude that there is no atheist ancient text available regulating and governing sex this would mean as far as ancient atheist is concern the word rape is none existence sex is sex be it force sex, consensual sex, partial consent and captivity sex. Atheist have always attempt to interpret the Bible in their own way to justify atheism rather than to consult with church fathers the experts and professionals who spend their entire life in studying and researching and have access to all the documents and manuscripts.

What is premarital sex?
It would be nice if there is a standard atheist book that would clearly state all the laws and regulations regarding to be atheist. But as you said atheist is all about individuality it is up to each and everyone to determine what is right and wrong what is right to others may by wrong to them and wrong to them right to others.......this is where atheist need an arbiter the one with final say and I guess it will be the government that will decide and regulate atheism.

 

Only atheists have the lust to have sex ?

How did Christians get more Christians if they didn't have sex??


You: ""Are you saying that atheist are all some how very pius and celibate about sex? "


NO where did I indicate that atheists are pious (CORRECT SPELLING) and celibate except maybe in someone's hallucination.....

 

See that's the difference between christians and atheists....atheists don't NEED a little book to tell them right from wrong. Christians do because they have no idea otherwise what is right or wrong......intelligent people know, they don't need an old book to tell them.


And, of course, you'll NEVER get the concept or definition of atheists, it's ONLY someone who doesn't believe in a god or gods , it is NOT a religion or club or society.
I know that's hard for christians to understand because , like sheep, THEY need a shepherd, a ruler to tell them what to do since it's obvious they can't figure it out for themselves.

 

Again, the same problems exist for theism. There is no standard theist book governing all the laws and regulations for being a theist. Theists also can't agree on a n arbiter with a final say. According to your logic, that means it will be the government that will decide and regulate theism.

 

I expect that atheist would be able to at least have answer of their atheism without reverting to the Bible or to theist.

But atheist don't seem to have any clear answers only Christian bashing and anti religion atheist can't present any legitimate records to their atheism without attacking God.

Christian do not turn atheist questions round back to atheist we answer them base on Christian history and facts. Why can't atheist present their position without turning or turn question back to Christians we already know the answer when it comes to Christianity what we want to know is about atheism. If the question is faulty then this mean atheism is faulty.

So what is the historical background for atheist as far as morality is concern?

So no atheist has ever condemn slavery until recently in modern times after Christianity has condemn it long time ago fought wars over it.

Humanist and atheism are all modern philosophy.

Here we go again back to Christianity maybe we should go to the Christian thread. So I'll respond on atheist thread.
Atheist created religion do you agree?

Christians have answers on questions about Christianity, atheist would seem as you pointed out don't have answers about atheism without turning to Christianity. This mean that atheism is faulty because it has no clear answer on their own atheistic point of view.

 

The difference is that Christians answer to a Supreme Being called God while atheist are answerable to the government and the government is answerable to no one.
Theist in general except Christianity were all created by atheist once upon a time and atheist continue to create man-theist as seen with Stalin, Mao and now Kim of North Korea.

 

In other words ancient atheist have always regarded rape as normal and part of life.