Here's one of the biggest lies of the "pro-lifers"....

as we all know they say "baby" or "infant" or "child" while talking about abortion at ANY stage of gestation.....and they PROVE that it's pure emotionalism and even dishonesty.

Because when you corner them and say "Okay, so ONE SECOND after fertilization...is an egg a 'baby'?"....

they FLIP their narrative, change definitions, and say "It's a human life."


But they won't answer the question you asked....."Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

Because they know saying that makes them look foolish....which means they are openly showing that they are being dishonest when they use "baby" or "infant" or "child" in reference to an abortion at any stage.


BTW, another clear sign that THEY know they're being dishonest?

Watch for how hard they try to change the subject of this OP?

 

The answer to your question from a Lakota Sioux perspective is that yes...The spirit is there at fertilization. Some other views of my people.
1. It is not your body, it is a body within your body. People don't ask "how's your body?" They ask "how's the baby?" "Is it a boy or girl?" If they don't know, "which do you want, a boy or girl?"
2. It is not a cluster of cells, it is a child forming just like nature designed procreation. Many states consider the murder of a pregnant woman particularly heinous, and will most often charge the criminal with a double homicide.
3. Even if you believe the fetus is not a person and thus has no rights...many creatures have rights even though they are not a person. This country has laws prohibiting dog fighting, and (*)(*)(*)(*) fighting...Because these creatures have intrinsic value. How many of you that believe in abortion, are against cruelty to animals, corporate chicken farms, etc.
Just my personal views, take it for what it is worth...nothing in the eyes of the law.

 

No....However, it is a developing human being and what it is called depends entirely on commitment of the woman. If she considers the developing life a blessing then it is her 'baby.' If she just had sex with a sperm donor and has life plans that do not include birthing and raising a child then, it is just a collection of cells deposited in her by mistake. She can thus vacuum them away with a clear conscience provided to her by the pro-choicers. Either way the process of making a new human being has already started.

 

Whats keeping me on the side of pro life is simply responsibility but there is a twist to that. In some circumstances including life threatening issues or rape, you should be allowed to terminate. When it comes to "Not being ready" or "Unwilling" to be a parent, I think people need to suck it up. Life is not about what is easy, or fun. If you are willing to skip the cheap things that can spare you from having children and go through with it anyway. You should be held responsible for what you have done. It seems people look past that idea for what is convenient and what is easy. It has nothing to do with when an egg becomes a fetus. It has everything to do with owning up to your choices.

 

Ya, punishing women for having sex is what most Anti-Choicers really want....and who gives a damn about a kid whose parent didn't want or couldn't afford them...they should SUFFER.....


You risk your health and life driving a car ....if you're injured in an accident after taking that risk, do NOT call for help, ....show how "responsible you are, suck up the pain and consequences of driving , and limp home....

 

No, no matter what a woman chooses to call a fetus, no matter what her commitment is or isn't... it is a fetus.....she can call it a clump of cells, a pumpkin, a princess, a bun, a baby......it will always be a fetus....

I see you think women are so weak and stupid that they need Pro-Choicers to help them with their conscience....well, they aren't, they are quite capable of deciding for themselves what they want...and that is the substance of Pro-Choice, supporting women's right to choose...YOUR group is the one that wants to tell them how to feel and what to do...

 

So you expect us to believe that the ONLY time you ever have sex is strictly for the purpose of procreation and nothing else?

 

Take bets on how long before the predicted "meltdown" ?

 

Wašté. Conception and birth are a continuation of life.

 

But give me YOUR view....

Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

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So, if we are discussing a "morning after" pill ....and a "pro-lifer" starts talking about "killing the baby"....

they are being dishonest.....yes?

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But the question was...

Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

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Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

 

Do you think you are God defining life for everyone else?

 

I don't want my tax money going to the public school system anymore, as it has only proven to be an abject failure at educating my kids. I want to spend MY money on sending MY kid to a PRIVATE school, and not send that money into the public school system.

Do you support my right to choose, or do you think me so weak and stupid that I need someone to help me with my conscience?

 

Do Anti-Choicers think they're god defining life for women?

 

This is the Abortion Forum, not the general bellyache Forum....and your analogy fails....( you have the right to pick a school...)

 

I'm not bellyaching, I'm drawing an analogy. (yes, I have the right to pick a school), but do I have the right to exercise personal choice over weather the money I am forced to spend on school go to the public system or towards private education for my kids, or MUST I pay into the public system and then PAY AGAIN and in ADDITION, in order to send my kids to my school of choice?

Do I have the right to choose which school my tax money go's to?

I know this is inconvenient to your line of logic, but just answer the question please. Do you support my right to choose?

 

No, none of us get to chose exactly where our taxes go since once we pay them , they aren't ours.

Child free people even have to pay for schools, pacifists have to pay for wars,etc. . Why? Because as a citizen we have to support our country.......if you want everything for free then you'll have to find another country(good luck with that).

And, in this forum the word "choice" is related to abortion, NOT every other subject on earth.

 

Certainly you have the right to choose, but just as in other situations you don't have the right to ask the public to pay for it. You pay, you choose. That does not give you permission to stop funding public schools however. If your kids have special needs (no doubt they do) that the public schools are not addressing, by all means send them to private schools on your own dime. The public school system has served this country very well and continues to benefit all of us by creation of an educated citizenry.

 

Do you realize by continually refusing to give me your answer to my question.....you're proving the premise of my OP?

Try once more....

In your opinion, is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

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Have you noticed that ALL the "pro-lifers" so far.....have done EXACTLY what I said they do when asked the question "Is an egg one second after fertilization a "baby"....yes or no?"

i.e.....dodge the question and try to change the subject.

Thus PROVING the premise of my OP.....that they DISHONESTLY use the terms "baby" "infant" and "child" in their discussions.


BTW, Fox, Grannie? When you let them drag you off topic....you're simply abetting them in their dishonesty.

Just saying.

 

Life is life, you cannot accept the fact that procreation is just a continuation of life because you do not hold much value for life. You want to set a date when you can play God.

 

So, you are saying that sometimes I have the right to choose, and sometimes I don't, so you are really not "Pro-Choice" as much as you are "Pro-Abortion", otherwise, you would be consistent in allowing people Choice in their lives. You want them to have choice in having an abortion or not, but you do not want them to have choice in school selection.

Why can't you be consistent? You allow some freedoms, but you disallow others......... .. .

 

Taxes are the price We the People pay to live in a civilized society.

If you don't want to live in this civilized society you have the right to choose to live somewhere else.

You also have the right to choose how to spend your own money.

You DON'T have the right to not pay your taxes irrespective as to whether or not you use a particular government service.

If I don't have any relatives in prison does that mean that my taxes should not be used to pay for the prisons?

Should couples without children and retirees not have to pay school taxes since they are not using them either?

Your analogy is meaningless because taxes have nothing whatsoever to do with exercising your right to privacy.

Next!

 

OK, I get it. You are anti-choice. Thanks!

 

Non sequitur!

 

DO please show where a Pro-Choice person has to be pro-choice for everything on earth....

They don't , you're wrong.


Whether YOU like it or not this is the ABORTION FORUM and "Pro-Choice" refers to the issue of abortion.....anything else is Off Topic.

 

Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"

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Another Rightwing Radio / Fox News talking point...."School choice = abortion choice"
That the Right uses to try to draaaaag a thread away from a subject they can't discuss.....to something else they WANT to discuss.


But egotripp still won't answer the question-

Is an egg ONE SECOND after fertilization a 'baby'?...Yes or No?"