Mass graves of Cromwell's victims in Britain.

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Who was that German Tiger ace who knocked out an entire column of them on his own? Witman.
    You didn't want to be in one of those matey. Only 1 in 50 tank crews survived the war. Same as the bomber pilots.
     
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    I won't argue with that. The difference is we learned from our imperialist past-it was far too costly to maintain for a start. America doesn't appear to take any notice of history and continues spreading 'freedom and democracy' to people all over the world, usually after bombing them into rubble first. Thereafter they must be grateful to The Master for building a road and a school to prove how altruistic he is...
     
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    Wittman died in his tank, destroyed by a shell from a British-crewed Sherman 'Firefly'. The Tiger was hopelessly prone to mechanical breakdown, mostly in the gear train. It was slow, ponderous and could not fire or traverse its turret while on the move. It's 88mm gun was deadly though. The Soviet T34 could run rings around the Tiger and is widely acknowledged to have been the best tank of the war.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a fairly equitable arrangement. Your country keeps buying our weapons of war and we keep buying your One Direction and Adele recordings. Our imperialism is very quid pro quo :angel:
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, It was Michael Witmann. The Cromwell is a medium tank, and the Tiger was a heavy tank. Big difference.

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    Wittmann's company was positioned near the town.[17] Late on the 12th, Wittmann’s company arrived at an area in the vicinity of Villers-Bocage. Nominally composed of twelve tanks, Wittmann's company was 50 per cent understrength due to losses and mechanical failures.[10][18]

    The following morning, the lead elements of the British 7th Armoured Division entered Villers-Bocage. They had been given the objective of exploiting the gap in the front line, seizing Villers-Bocage, and capturing the nearby ridge (Point 213) to attempt to force a German withdrawal.[19][20][21][22][23] The British arrival surprised Wittmann, as he had not expected them so soon.[24] He reported afterwards that he had no time to assemble his company: "Instead I had to act quickly, as I had to assume that the enemy had already spotted me and would destroy me where I stood." Having given instructions for the rest to hold their ground, he set off with one tank.[25]
    Wittmann receiving the Swords to his Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross from Adolf Hitler.

    At approximately 09:00,[11] Wittmann's Tiger emerged from cover onto the main road, Route Nationale 175, and engaged the rearmost British tanks positioned on Point 213, destroying them.[26][27] Wittmann then moved towards Villers-Bocage, engaging several transport vehicles parked along the roadside; the carriers burst into flames as their fuel tanks were ruptured by machine gun and high explosive fire.[28][29] Moving into the eastern end of the town, he engaged a number of light tanks followed by several medium tanks.[30] Alerted to Wittmann's actions, light tanks in the middle of the town quickly got off the road, while medium tanks were brought forward.[10] Wittmann, meanwhile, had destroyed an additional British tank,[31] two artillery observation post (OP) tanks,[32] followed by a scout car and a half-track.[33]

    Accounts differ as to what happened next. Historians record that, following the destruction of the OP tanks, Wittmann dueled briefly without success with a Sherman Firefly before withdrawing.[34][35] The Tiger is then reported to have continued eastwards to the outskirts of the town before being disabled by an anti-tank gun.[36] However, Wittmann's own account contradicts this; he states that his tank was disabled by an anti-tank gun in the town centre.[25] In less than fifteen minutes, thirteen-fourteen tanks, two anti-tank guns, and thirteen-fifteen transport vehicles had been destroyed by the Heavy SS-Panzer Battalion 101, the vast majority attributed to Wittmann.[Note 1][38] Wittmann played no further role in the Battle of Villers-Bocage.[39] For his actions during the battle, Wittmann was promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer (captain), and awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords.[40]

    [video=youtube;U-C5oFbUQAU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-C5oFbUQAU[/video]
     
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    I'm happy to admit I have friends who are Muslim.

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    OK,, I stand corrected.

    Pre Henry VIII Scots were Catholic meaning they were longer Catholic than Protestant. The Jacobite uprising in Scotland was also Catholicism driven.
     
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    U.S imperialism is mostly by British Americans. LOL

    No shocker there.

    Brits are definitely the most barbaric, and primitive of the European ethnic groups.

    Yes, I think the Brits are even worse than the Germans.

    Even today, Brits seem to be a lot more uncivilized than Germans.

    I mean, just look at those feral riots in Britain.

    Not to mention Britain's murder rate is about double that of Germany.
     
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    Britain was really bad in India, about 60 million in India killed by British policies in the 19th century, when Britain was Capitalist.
     
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    You are a Royalist?
     
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    By all means. Knock yourself out. Even the most grossly over exaggerated estimates you can come up with will pale in comparison to that of your beloved communists.

    By the way, why bring it up then?

    Also maybe you could answer how exactly the OPs story is an example of evil US imperialism and capitalism?

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    Go ahead and point out where in my comment I stated that capitalism doesn't have negative aspects about its past. Go on. Do it. Do. It. I (*)(*)(*)(*)ing call you out to. Do it.
     
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    That is because Spitfire>Messerschmitt.

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    We made up for it when we invented penicillin and saved just about everyone in the human race. For all the rest of time. Have you tried it in Poland? It's great stuff.
     
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    :confusion::confusion:Am I missing something here? I find this interesting as all hell but still remain at a loss to explain how this is even remotely considered a CURRENT event?? :confusion::confusion:

    And that being said, what is it about the Lord Protector? He seems, at first and even second and maybe third, glance to be the very epitome of the compleat conservative (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag. He was total stoned religious fanatic, a murderous hypocrite, the very essence of tyranny and, as if that wasn't enough, British.

    So why do I always find myself chuckling ruefully when I read of one or another of his brilliant military maneuvers or a particularly wicked bon mot he delivered to Parliament. Is it something like how I came to really like orcs by the last book of the Ring trilogy or what?
     
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    Is just a term made up by a pissed of 19th century hippy pissed off that free people were freely exchanging goods and labor.
     
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    Stupid people attempting to politicise an even in history that happened nearly 500 years ago.
     
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    First of all the Lord Protector is a leader of a bourgeois revolution,it is through this prism the one should look at him.The talk is how do revolutions,ie changes of social systems, happen. Perhaps a birth of a new social system should be compared with an act of childbirth,which transforms woman into an almost lifeless, bloodstained heap of flesh, tortured, tormented and driven frantic by pain. But who would renounce love and procreation for this reason? Actually replacement of feudalism by capitalism was a progressive act although it was accompanied by inevitable bloodshed. But the question is : where is your logic and where is your honesty,gentlemen,when you recognise normal the birth in blood of capitalism,but at the same time you treat communism as mood for the same way of birth?
     
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    How many graves did Stalin make?
     
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    Could you please point out one single person in this entire forum who has ever said anything like that in my thread.

    A perfect example of how this is utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is the American Revolution. It wasn't a peaceful referendum. It was bloody and long and violent. What of it? Nothing in life comes without sacrifice.
     
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    See my post above.
     
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    Your post above does not site one example of what I asked you to prove. Do so or just don't reply.
     
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    If you do not see the answer then 1) you are blid 2) you don't want to see, one of two. The answer was in the form os quostien :

    Answer to the point or don't answer at all, I'm not going to talk with trolls.
     
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    I read once that the Germans believed the Soviets had only five thousand tanks, and it turned out to be thirty five thousand... and they were superior as well. What it shows is that the Russian's might give hints so as to hinder any aggressive actions by Nato, but they will never reveal the full potential of their military.
     
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    You claimed, and I quote

    "The point is that anti-commies swear by all that is holy that communist revolutions were carried out with violence and bloodshed,while bourgeois revolutions were all carried out by democratic referendums, and there was no violence whatsoever. Somehow this view will not piece on to the facts."

    I then asked you to site one single example of a member of this forum saying anything remotely like what YOU claimed someone said. Your above comment in no way shape or form acknowledges this whatsoever. In fact, your above comment is merely stating the EXACT same thing I just quoted you on only using different words. So again, I am forced to ask you, site one single example, one quote, by any member of this forum saying something along the lines of what YOU CLAIMED SOMEONE SAID.

    I know this is difficult for you to grasp, what with the natural Russian inferiority and what not, but try to focus on the words.

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    And the vast majority of those tanks were built with American supplies. Clap. Clap. Clap. Epic fail on your part. Take your fear and war mongering and go hang out on your RT forum.
     
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    The idea of inferiority of some nations is racism. Ignore list for troll and racist.
     
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    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Lol. So in other words you realized you (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up and have no argument and I blew you out of the water, but because you are a pathtic troll who can never admit when he is mistaken you now have to deflect by calling racism. How cute.

    By the way, "nations" are not a race.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    "Natural Russian inferiority" in which way? Please be specific. I'll enjoy this...
     

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