On The Impossibility Of Abiogenesis.

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    They cannot.

    All Universes that are a part of our own Baseline Universal Reality Grouping which is infinite unto itself has one set of physical natural laws.

    But there is also Infinite numbers of Baseline Universal Reality Groupings each Grouping with it's own set of natural physical laws.

    This must be as in any infinite system all possibilities MUST exist.

    AA

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    Life exists.....that is the proof.

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  2. Maccabee

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    No. Science isn't based off of peer review. It's based off of theorizing, experimentation, and repeating the process. The scientific method. A peer review can be and have been shown historically to be biased. So through the scientific method, and taking in account natural variables the Miller experiment is questionable at least.

    The links that I've provided.

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    Yes. Proof for a creator.
     
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    Exactly HOW is this roof of a creator.

    Detail just ONE example.

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    I have absolutely no idea what a Baseline Universal Grouping is. Sounds like a string of words that has meaning to you and only you. Can you communicate using standard mathematical terminology? In otherwords simply use mathematical structures in english to tell a logical story. Use words likes the Reals, the Integers, Complexes, scalar, vector, matrix, tensor, manifold, set, topological space, vector space, algebra, geometry, ring, graph, group, stochastic, probability, symmetry, measure, map, homemorphism, isomorphism, automorphism, action, product, length, distance, angle, diffeomorphism, probability space, measure space, rotation, translation, dilation, direct product, tensor product, random variable, i.i.d, support, projection, diagonalize, operator, derivative, integral, summation, ... , ok I think you get the picture.

    Now, once you have produced a well-conditioned string of the above containing at least some of the terms, I will conclude you to have passed a 1st-order Turing Test. In fact, you are free to make any statement with at least some of the above terms. Failure to do so and you will have not passed the 1st-order Turing Test. The rate at which you respond with respect to when you recieve these instructions is thus directly proportional to the Fractional-order Turing Test you pass. Every automata (include myslef) passes a Turing Test between the 1st and 2nd-order. Boltzmann brains lie asymptotically close to the 1st-order, but never pass.

    The question has been begged. Are you a Boltzmann brain?
     
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    Non sequiturs seem quite common on this forum, mostly coming from theists.
     
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    Peer review is how theories are tested. Please just admit you made a moronic assertion that you can't back up.



    They don't support your claims.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    OK....I should have expected this as the terminology is not really known to all.

    You understand what the Many Worlds Model is correct?

    It is infinite universes all with the same natural physical laws....but each universe slightly different.

    Now....a TRUE Multiversal Model has INFINITE Many Worlds Models as a part of it.

    Each Many Worlds Model in effect being a Baseline Universal Reality Grouping.....as each Many World Model or Grouping contains infinite numbers of universes all having the same natural physical laws.

    But in a TRUE INFINITE SYSTEM...in a TRUE MULTIVERSAL MODEL....there must exist INFINITE MANY WORLDS MODELS or Infinite Baseline Universal Reality Groupings and each Grouping has it's own set of natural physical laws slightly or even completely different from other Groupings and some Groupings having such alien in nature physical laws and constructs that we can neither understand them or even relate to them.

    OK...got that?

    This MUST exist in any Infinite System.

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    Chemical evolution asserts the possibility of abiogenesis.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    Yes.

    As we know because we can actually detect the Background Radiation that exists all around us due to the Big Bang....there was a massive ejection from a White Hole of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms in a super excited state ie....VERY HOT....that began to develop our Universal Space-Time.

    Now members who ae unfamiliar with Cosmology such as Maccabee and others do not understand that previous to this White Holes ejection SPACE-TIME did not exist and neither did our Universe!!

    Every White Hole is connected to a Black Hole and a Black Hole in another Alternate Divergent Universal State of Reality within our Universal Baseline Reality Grouping has essentially swallowed that other Universe and as it continued to eat all matter and energy it reached a threshold point that ripped open not only Space-Time but ripped through the Universal Separating Dimensional Membrane between Universes.

    As the Quanta was ejected it created our Universal Space-Time Geometry and thus Gravity and as it cooled.....QUANTUM EVOLUTION BEGAN!!!

    The Quanta began to organize itself into the simplest element which is Hydrogen.

    After that....Gravity took over and collected the matter space dense areas of Hydrogen till so much Hydrogen existed at a specific area that the gravitic compression ignited it via FUSION into STARS.

    All elements up to Iron were generated by Stellar Fusion and as the earliest stars were supermassive they burned hot and burned quickly and as they were usually in close proximity to one another as Universal Space-Time was still expanding there were many binary and trinary systems which lead to SUPERNOVAS!!

    All elements heavier from Iron up were generated via Supernova.

    After this planets and moon and asteroids and comets by the TRILLIONS developed and in our solar system cometary bombardment of the planets especially Earth and Mars deposited massive amounts of WATER and this is how Mars and Earth got their oceans.

    Once WATER exists on a Planet....LIFE will evolve.

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    Copenhagen Interpretation tells us that the very first Wave Functions had to be observed before a Universe could materialize.

    The observer was,... de facto,... the Creator,.... by definition.
     
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    Alpha supports an alternative Multi-verse idea which has not been supported by any evidence.
    The majority of Physicists today believe Copenhagen was correct.

    Copenhagen infers a Creator.
     
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    These "White Hole, Quantum Particle/Wave Forms" had to be Observed before they could change the information they carried into matter and make a Universe.

    That is what Copenhagen says.
     
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    No hypothesis regarding what may have preceded the Big Bang, whether a wave function collapse or not, is supported by any evidence. Any discussion about the origin of our universe is a purely philosophical discussion.

    Not according to this survey, this survey, or this survey.

    Nothing in Copenhagen says that the observer must be sentient.
     
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    Dave...how many times do we have to go over this.

    Observation just locks in value and function.

    Observation is NOT necessary for existence.

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    no it doesn't
     
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    Do you know that Man is the sole surviving species in our genus?
     
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    But without a human witness you don't know if its accurate.


    No.

    Until proven otherwise yes. But I'm talking about the building blocks.
     
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    But in something that localized it would be.

    But failed to take into account UV light and the defenses that all life needs to survive.

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    And that relates how?

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    Simple. Life produce life. We haven't observed life coming from non life. That would be spontaneous generation.

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    Then Galileo was wrong. His findings didnt pass the peer review of the Catholic Church.



    Yes they do.
     
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    We don't live in the "Middle Ages" nor does science depend on peer review by the Catholic Church..
    The Catholic Church was wrong then and IMO still is on a number of things.
     
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    There were different species besides just homo sapiens not just differentiation within a single species.
     
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    How localized? No matter how homogenous an environment might be, there will always be a point where it borders another environment. And the tendency for things to move from one environment has also been observed.

    When water alone is known to be a good barrier to UV light, how is that so?
     
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    It is supported by the MATH.

    And the logic.

    And Quantum Mechanics.

    AA
     
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    I accept your concession.



    nope
     
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    Exactly... in a landscape with volcanoes and rocks and oceans there are going to be extreme variations and border conditions. Anything below the water or washed into cracks between rocks would be protected from UV radiation. We sometimes get too caught up in the "primordial soup" image and think of the earth totally covered by a consistent soup of chemicals.
     
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    True,...
    But we know Reality is "sentient,"... because it is jealous of fantasy worlds,... and destroys them all.
     
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