Why is a Border Wall RACIST?

As always, you give me too many things to respond to in one post. Again, just some high spots:

1) Relatives I have that used to work in county government were held to a code as I described. They worked at the courthouse and that scenario was general fodder for discussion on occasion

2) Now, about blacks displacing whites. In 1980, the county I live in was 84 percent white. Today it is 53 percent white. Until just recently it was among the fastest growing counties in the U.S. We can't grow much more. We're out of land. If you check out the post office, local government jobs, and major employers, the non-white population has jobs disproportionate to their actual numbers.

Once I was looking for a job in the county where I live. I applied to over 150 companies and got a single interview. On my follow ups, I noted WHO did get the job. All but nine of the people I followed up with hired a non-white AND of those nine, 7 were women. Know this: This is a debate I will come to the table with and give you all the hard core facts

3) I know who MOVE is; just don't know specifics of any cases revolving around them. I would not, for a moment, doubt your word. In 1921 the federal government bombed civilian miners at the battle of Blair Mountain. In 2003 the feds bombed the home of a militia Chaplain, Scott Woodring. Ultimately they killed him. So, you're not alone in knowing someone - or a group that has been targeted by a government gone out of control. If you challenge the tyrants, they will act with extreme prejudice, but if we don't fight for Freedom and Liberty, we may as well quit bickering on these boards and succumb to slavery.

 

1) In that case this dress code is something peculiar to your particular county. And more than likely peculiar to that particular building. And I'm almost certain that a dress code like the one you described wouldn't stand up if someone challenged it.

2) I'm afraid that what you're relating here are anecdotes. That's not to belittle or demean your experiences in any way - I can well imagine the frustration of going through something like that. But there can be any number of factors at work in your particular situation that I can't even begin to guess about. You have to be really careful about drawing broad conclusions from just a few people's experiences. I can tell you that nationally in 2014 the workforce participation rate for non-Hispanic whites was 62.4% while for blacks it was 61.2%. In the first quarter of 2015 the unemployment rate for whites was 5.1% while for blacks it was 10.4% Typically the black unemployment rate is about double the white unemployment rate. It may well be that things are significantly different in your county, but if they are there are even more places where the opposite situation is true.

If I may speculate a little, if your county has grown that much is it safe to assume that's because you've had a strong jobs market there overall? If so, then a large portion of the people moving into the area are probably doing so for a job. That means there will be a higher percentage of adults in their prime working years, fewer retirees, and fewer people who are basically unemployable. And since these immigrants seem to be largely minorities, that means that the minority workforce participation rate is going to be unusually high. So this is a possible factor in the number of minority hires you're seeing.

 

You know, when I apologized to you, I thought you might be sincere. Instead you're being condescending. Now, I told you, straight out of the chute, that I was well prepared to defend my position and, yes, I start with my life experiences.

OTOH, I argue with idiots on these boards all day long about the immigration B.S. and tell them... I worked in that area of law for six years. In addition to that, much of the talking points you see regarding the issue is my own work from the 1980s. I wasn't always a poster on discussion boards. I studied the subjects of sociology, race, immigration, etc. as paraprofessional. So, it's highly offensive that you try to treat me like a child. Now, you come from the left and I haven't been demeaning toward you, but reality is reality.

Donald Trump is as popular as he is because there are so many disenfranchised white people. The difference between Trump and myself is that I've been engaged IN the fight for the last four decades. I was probably doing this stuff when you were little more than a gleam in your daddy's eyes.

The posterity of those who founded this nation are, essentially, locked out of the process. There is a tremendous backlash. The blacks have been taught, as a race, to have this complex that the world owes them something. The majority, not all by any means, spend their ever waking moment blaming someone else for their problems.

The real problem with the white people is that they got fat and happy. As it has been observed, peace and plenty makes cowards out of men. Today, the whites think they can still be fat, happy and now lazy because they are going to have a KING to oversee their every whim. That is why they are being dispossessed and they are being dispossessed of their country. But, as long as they keep giving it away, they will not get an ounce of sympathy from me.

 

The SPLC were trying to kill me in late 2007. I had to file a civil suit as the FBI was protecting their SPLC snitches.
They probably scrubed the federal court file on me and SPLC but I think the highlands county Florida file is still up.
After Trump gets elected you lefties are going to be really surprised about what some of your liberal "saints" were up to.
Trump will indite more that Shillary.

 

SPLC is the ACORN of "hate" monitoring. "Hate" is their word to describe any position or opinion that is opposed to the far left progressive agenda.

 

The truth is Mexicans do not threaten anything American. They strengthen it . Mexicans are by and large honest, hardworking, god fearing, conservative folk. The vast majority that come here "illegally" come for the same reason that any of us on this forum would.

You might sell your BS to some but there is no market for it here.

 

Quick clarification:

A border wall is and of itself not racist. It is an inanimate object incapable of feeling one way or another about any racial or ethnic group.

A twatwaffle who screams nativist BS supporting a border wall to keep out "Mexicans who are rapists, murderers and want to steal our jobs," IS racist, by virtue of his nativist beliefs and bigoted rhetoric against Mexicans. Anyone who supports said twatwaffle and what he says is a racist by extension. Clear enough?

Here endeth the lesson...

 

Walls are not racist. People that want walls are. Those that want a wall, due to the Mexicans being rapists and criminals, and having calves like cantaloupes due to humping huge bales of drugs, is. the wall is there to stop POOR Mexicans. The rich ones still can come here. That the fact that Mexicans are leaving in greater numbers than coming, and the right wing is still rabid, tells you it is racist in it's intentions.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rux-g-xmvUs

 

You're in for a world of hurt. I'm probably the only person that ever participated in legal actions against the SPLC where the SPLC lost. Donald Trump is a Democrat. He is not going to help you in any way, shape, fashion or form.

Over the last twenty years, what has Trump done to slow down the progression of the SPLC?

He's making the right look like clowns and incompetents.

 

I agree with you, not sure if you understood my post.

 

I am as frustrated with the right as I am the left. What this issue of a wall is really about for the right IS race. We all know it. They should just quit trying to B.S. the rest of you.

I'd have more respect for them if they were honest, but this cow dung of the bull variety wherein they stress the "illegal" word is so phony, they have a hard time selling it to themselves. The right isn't getting their boxers in a bunch over a civil violation of the law that results in a $250 fine and deportation at best.

The right is doing themselves a disservice by lying to you about what the law says and they are confident that most people cannot read beyond a fifth grade reading level. The wall idea is nutty and I think that before it could be finished that the Hispanics would dig so many tunnels, the wall would collapse before it could be finished.

 

Mexican hypocrites, watch this video and then decide whether we need to build a wall or not.
[video=youtube;FH42gS-gu8w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH42gS-gu8w[/video]

 

Tunnels? That's why they invented flame throwers.

The Eastern Bloc was very good at walls and other barriers to keep their population in. I think the US could do a very good job about keeping Mexicans out.

 

I may very well have not. This is a long thread and i am late to the party. I skipped over much of the rhetoric and it is likely i gave you credit (or discredit) for things others said.
Apology for any transgression real or imagined.

 

That is some bull(*)(*)(*)(*) stereotyping that you wrote up about the hellholes. My grandfather worked on the railways from Mexico to PA. They were in proverty when they moved to the US but they turned out lawyers, a mayor, accountants, nurses, and much more. My family are productive, educated, tax paying members of society. Don't be judging (*)(*)(*)(*) that you don't know.

 

At least you helped to establish the fact that a border wall is racist. It's more than that, but the left has you on that count.

As stated many times, the border wall will also keep you in. AND the racist pendulum could swing both ways. With a wall around the U.S. (it won't be confined to Mexico) you can't run WHEN the non-whites outnumber and rule you. Wall around the U.S.? Not a good idea.

BTW, you forgot that we lost the battle in Vietnam to people that didn't have so much as a helicopter, but they knew the tunnel business quite well.

 

the wall is not racist, some of those that support it are though.. not all, but some....

 

Shrug. There won't be anyplace to run to. The darkness and barbarism of the third world will cover the globe completely.

 

Yet you want to empower a corrupt government that disagrees with you across the board. WHEN you've given them the manpower and the technology, they will turn on you. It seems some people didn't take a hint when all the legislation your side supported was used against the very people the anti-immigrant side told us they were protecting.

 

You'll have to be more specific. I am not sure what you are talking about.

 

When will the wall crazies ever realize that building a wall is a moronic idea...for a plethora of reasons. First and foremost is the cost. The cost of engineering, building, maintaining, and additional border agents to patrol or otherwise monitor any detection equipment that might be associated with it. And guess what? Even with all that, that 'wall' will not prevent border crossings totally or otherwise. Whoever thinks the Coyotes will not find ways to smuggle people across the border are only fooling themselves. And then there's the train of thought that such walls have been traditionally built...to keep people in.

Wall crazies. Inform and educate yourselves...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/18/donald-trump-immigration-border/

And please if you're going to comment on the article, it's a good idea to read in its entirety before doing so.

 

The creation of Homeland (IN) Security
The National ID / REAL ID Act
So - called "Patriot Act"
Assaults on the Fourth Amendment
An end to the Presumption of Innocence / Innocent until proven guilty
National Gun Registration
Womb to the tomb 27 / 7 / 365 surveillance of individuals
Cashless transactions / monitoring of ALL your financial transactions
Constitution Free Zones
Forced citizenship
Expansion of the IRS

That is the top ten things the anti-immigrant lobby is responsible for. It was their lobbyists; their legislators; their money that backed all of that.

PRIOR to the immigration debacle, the Patriot Movement had begun to secure wins against the illegal income tax by proving you could rescind contracts the government forced us into via fear, fraud, and intimidation. By revoking one's SSN, they could reclaim their Preamble Status. The anti-immigrant lobby took that win from us, strengthened the IRS and made it mandatory to have an SSN and be forced to pay the illegal income tax.

The first victims of your so-called "Patriot Act" were members of the right. The government was able to wreak havoc on white activists, tax protestors, gun rights activists, militia members, Tea Party groups, etc.

The incessant repetition of the term "illegal alien" without the individual ever having been charged with a crime, much less convicted of one dismantled the Fourth Amendment. One lefty on this board dubbed many of his fellow Americans as "unlawful persons."

I'm talking about the 100 mile zone within a border wherein the Constitution can be suspended under the pretext of chasing so - called "illegal aliens." I'm talking about making gun control easier for the left. I'm talking about forced citizenship - which decreases the numbers of whites, Christians, and those who are the posterity of the founding fathers. I'm talking about the TRILLIONS of dollars in new taxes and the TRILLIONS more in hiring and equipping federal mercenaries that cannot be limited to chasing foreigners, but will use the technology, manpower and weaponry to wage war against people just like you.

We want to talk about the rise of Democrat / Dictator Donnie who has said while he might make those people (coy way of saying Hispanics) leave, they will all be allowed to return. His program even calls for an "amnesty" of sorts.

I don't know what problem the anti-immigrant lobby was trying to solve, but I could have effectively addressed all the symptoms they've put on the table WITHOUT any new taxes; WITHOUT new federal mercenaries to lord over me; WITHOUT the forfeiture of our Rights; WITHOUT any freaking wall.

 

The wall itself is not inherently racist. Nor is the purpose of the wall. Its the ideology behind the wall that is racist. When people say that Mexicans are rapists, drug dealers, and bring our country down, that's what's racist. And something I like to bring up is the fact that Mexicans are choosing America for a reason. They wouldn't come to America to deal drugs if Americans didn't want drugs. But the fact remains that the same bigoted people who want to keep Mexicans out are the people who buy Mexican drugs. If we didn't pay Mexicans or offer anything to them in the first place, Mexicans wouldn't want to come to the US.

 

an extended border barrier, mixed with more border patrol and a plan to deal with the millions of illegals here in a fair and humane way, is not racist.

simply calling for a border wall while attacking everyone who is Hispanic, is racist