Why is a Border Wall RACIST?

History.

We should merely create an amusement park and call it, the Great Walls of America.

 

I've been locked out of this forum through no fault of my own, but here is a belated answer.

A LOT of people get into this discussion and pretend to be one thing and they are quite another. So, it is hard to tell who the good guys and the bad guys are.

Anyone who looks at my talking points (sic) sees right off the bat that they are neither the talking points of right wing talk radio and they for sure are not the talking points of moveon.org nor La Raza. It's easy to have an opinion that says I'm wrong; however, in order for any opinion to be valid, it must be predicated on facts.

Since I'm not willing to go back over the past, I'll simply start anew and if you're still here, you can disagree all you like and we can look at the material I've learned over the last several decades to see if you're right or not.

I'm against the wall idea. Our country was founded on the notion that America was the New Jerusalem - the land without walls. While we welcomed everyone to this country, the founding fathers did not allow just anyone to become a citizen - nor did they allow just anyone the privilege of voting.

The left believes in Democracy, but America was not founded as a Democracy. It was founded as a Republic. Democracy is the antithesis of Liberty. Democracy relies on the notion that the masses can decide what's best for everyone. In a Republic based upon the perpetuation of Liberty, the masses cannot decide what is best for the individual.

The right has strayed from the principles of a nation "with Liberty and Justice for all." Whatever the build the walls advocates like to call themselves, they only see a POLICE STATE and human registration papers as being the litmus test to your fitness for unalienable Rights. Both sides are equally wrong and for different reasons. If you'd like to defend the wall idea - or disagree with me for some other reason, by all means, the door is open.

 

Whitey long ago created for, all nationalitys, a path to be legal and its called a permanent residency visa. You also have working permits, student visas and asylum. Quotas were set so that there would be an orderly import of people to the country.You also have laws that established, which for the countries protection, created borders. This may be hard for some of you to understand but our northern neighbors Canada and our southern neighbors Mexico also have borders in which Americans are not free to just come and go anytime they wish. You cannot just have a open border where just anyone can come in and set up house and then usurp all the resources for free. Multiply that by millions and you can bankrupt communities and a nation. You are taking away the rights of the citizens to those resources. Utopia is a mythical place created in liberals minds. There is no so such place that everyone lives in perfect harmony. If you believe the Bible, even there, a great war breaks out between Satan and God. I think they open borders up there but decide to seal off heven in the end to keep the bad guys out.

I get the feeling that your the kind of person that probably believes all blacks were slaves before the civil war. I wonder if your aware that many slaves in early America were white? Are you aware that black slaves brought in higer bids than white slaves? Is Mexico without sin? No, they also had a period from 1519 to 1640 were they imported slaves. So you see it's just not whitey.

 

They do have great walls of America. They are the many fences that Americans have built around their property which is a sign to all that the land fenced belongs to them and do not intrude on it unless invited or given permission. Can you believe that some laws have been created that gives the owner the right to use force, if necessary, to protect his property? I wish they would do that with the borders of our country.

 

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is shame and folly unto him." Proverbs 18 : 13

Having been IN this battle before most on this thread were a gleam in their daddy's eyes, I'm well aware of the history surrounding immigration. So, let me school YOU. IF the quotas were created to allow for an orderly import (sic) into this country, there would have been intervals at various times to adjust the numbers. Bottom line: we didn't.

You operate under many false assumptions. The third false assumption you made is to believe that one must have human registration papers in order to do business in the United States. Not everyone who washes up on our shores or walks across the border wants to be or even should be a citizen.

For years the anti-immigrant lobby gave us this "house" analogy. Since I came along, it isn't used that much any longer. For if we look at America as a "house," then each state would be an apartment and it would be up to each of them to decide who to invite in as guests. If you expect everybody that enters your home to become part of the family, your daughter would have to marry the first guy who walked into your living room to visit her.

IF the foreigners from south of the border wanted to take this country over, they have had ample opportunities. Between 1986 and 2001 the United States offered at least seven amnesties offered to the people here without papers. Still, most did not avail themselves of the opportunity.

Nobody is coming into the U.S. and setting up house for free. You made a classic mistake. I'd like to direct your attention to it:

"You are taking away the rights of the citizens to those resources..."

Since you accused the foreigners of getting freebies, you are referring to things like jobs. So, the real deal is, when the government owns the jobs and production, you have socialism. We are a constitutional Republic built upon the idea of free enterprise.

Next:

When the Brits used to set sail for America, young kids were captured and brought to America as slave labor. Back then, it was known as kid nabbing. You know where we got the term kidnapping from now. America always gets the blame for slavery; however, in keeping with our foundational principle of Liberty, it was America that led the way into abolishing slavery. Don't know what your point is there.

My position is a simple one. You cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

 

The reason that people want the wall built is because government has failed the citizens of it's country. It wasn't very long ago that people moved freely between borders. You still had to go through customs but it was rare anyone was stopped or detained. When 9-11 happened it was a wake up call that we were not a secure country anymore. We created Homeland Security, stopped free travel and the country entered into a recession. When the borders became harder to cross this stopped the income for many farm workers or made it more difficult to have steady work without hassels. The cure was come into the country and just stay. Soon the woman were having their babies in America but they wern't going back home. All our social systems have been over taxed. Now the illegals are not happy to just be here but want to rule themselves and have no intention to assimilate into the the American culture. They do not wish to be American they wish America to assimulate to their culture. I was told along time ago " If you screwed up your country don't come into mine and screw it up or fix your own country before you come and want to change mine".

 

9 / 11 was done by people of the so-called "legal" variety. Maybe that fact escaped your attention?

I worked in immigration law for six years. Don't know where you get your info from, but it hardly squares with the facts. Let me give you a couple of starting points:

1) America was founded upon the principle of Liberty. It is an unalienable Right of all men

2) Citizenship is a privilege and NO founding father would have agreed with you on forcing foreigners to become citizens

3) The illegally passed 14th Amendment negates most, if not all, of your talking points AND if you took it out of the Constitution, it would negate ALL of your proposed solutions.