People are lazy...stop complaining and open your own business

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  1. Dware

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    Many years ago most people owned their own small business instead of working for the man.

    Today most younger people (sorry younger people) are lazy, lazy and even more lazy. They want everything handed to them without doing squat about it. This snowflake generation will be living in their parents houses in their 40's!

    NOTHING says you have to work for a "greedy" corporation or business!..its a free country, do what you want.

    That would require you to actually do SOMETHING and stop whining and complaining about things you have no control over
     
  2. rickysdisciple

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    It has little to do with laziness and everything to do with barriers to entry, in terms of the cost of starting. You cannot "save" money and start a business in this country anymore without significant business loans, which are not easy to get.

    In the next few years, I'd like to start a small business, but it sure as hell won't be in this country.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Heres why.

    http://i1.wp.com/www.statisticbrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/business-failure.jpg
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/startup-failure-by-industry/

    Add to this, that with the personal bankruptcy reform, you can easily wind up owing for the rest of your life.
     
  4. Dware

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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fine if it is just you. Babies? Wife? Elderly parents?

    Not only that, most people are not cut out for the parts of business that aren't doing the thing.

    It is hard enough to develop skills, without having to be good at everything.
     
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    Dude, as little as 30 years ago, minimum wage was 5.32, you could read the rules and regulation concerning your start up in 45 minutes and it didn't take you 100 plus days just to fill out all the paperwork locals want before they'll let you add jobs to the local economy.
     
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    Government interference always gets in the way of progress

    When they call people who want a huge bloated crooked Government "progressives" it cracks me up
     
  8. Lesh

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    If any significant number of people followed your advice...this country would have a middle class MIRED in debt.

    But yea...I HAVE started a small business...and it took a HUGE amount of work and planning, a lot of luck, and every bit of money and credit I have accumulated in a lifetime. That business pays for itself and is growing at about a 40% year over year increase in revenue but still doesn't show a profit...

    And if ANYTHING had gone wrong...I'd have lost everything.

    So no...it's not that easy

    And "government interference" is the least of my worries.
     
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    It is infinitely worse now than once it was.
     
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    in the olden days it was easy to start a business because there were no corporations that stole all the wealth from the little person.

    today it is very different, the corporations will shut your lemonade stand down by telling the government you don't have the same permits they have.

    since the corporations bought and paid for the government and make the laws of the land today, it is a privilege they enjoy while being holier than thou.
     
  11. Dware

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    Thousands of people start their own business every day

    Like I said...some people are lazy
     
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    It's very easy to start a small business...Lawnmower, weed-eater and a leaf-blower, as well as a vehicle to get around...Say $5000 initial investment...Go around to a few of the major real estate companies...$60 a yard. With my 2 teenagers helping me, one mowing the front, one mowing the back, and me edging...We knocked out on average 7 - 8 lawns a day, 3 - 4 times a week. I paid each of my kids $15 a yard, I got $30...My truck, my equipment, my gas...I was bringing in over $3k a month part-time.
     
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    usually those thousands of people in a country of 300 million have the capital to risk coming from rich families.

    the average american risks their entire net worth to start a business, they must be over leveraged, and since most businesses fail the reward is never worth the risk of their livelihood.

    america does not have an adequate social safety net with the large homeless population, so it is unfair to ask the middle class to take this risk.
     
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    Pure nonsense.
     
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    Cut a lot of grass in the winter do ya?

    What happens when a lot of people take Dware's advice and you're competing with dozens of other "grass cutters" for pennies?
     
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    You don't have a clue
     
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    You either have to start really small, as in fleamarketing, or webmarketing. or find legalistic ways around the haze of regulations, licenses, unfair taxation, and other requirements of a conventional business in the US. This is the unlevel playing field so often complained about, which benefits the big boys that have attorneys to get them around the requirements in ways that keep them out of jail.

    People that have anything to lose are stopped by the above. Wily traders from countries like Nigeria are not; they simply break the law and cut and run when caught out. Essentially, our system is designed for lawbreakers and exploiters, and our upper classes have an affinity for ambitiously rapacious members of the underclass for that reason.

    The US middle and working classes were raised to follow the law and behave themselves, and therefore do not have the mindset to succeed in an economy that increasingly rewards liars and cheats. If Trump is not elected we will soon not be able to even count on the security of the savings we put in our local banks. There has been a deliberate dumbing down of the lower echelon employees in the US banking industry for years now that has made it possible for the higher ups to get away with almost anything if they can make it obscure enough. In such a cultural environment, honesty and hard work are actually barriers to success.

    This is why so many of us are choosing to support Trump, who has at least dared to speak to the problem.
     
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    Trump's at least done that right. And I plan to be next in line in the salvo against this corruption from Plutocratic Washington.
     
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    I did this for one summer, but yes in central Texas lawn care is more like a ten month season. And yes you are competing with a lot of companies, but companies charge a lot of money for a regular lawn $100 - $140 for a normal lawn. My kids and I could knock out a yard in a half hour, that's not peanuts.
     
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    What you're talking about is anything but the norm for starting a small business.
     
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    Sounds great, and I'm glad you did it, but what the OP is implying, that this is the solution to low wages, is ridiculous. This country is not set up for a small-scale entrepreneurial economy--not even close. Even if it was, you'd obviously still need wage labor.

    I'm fine with pursuing policies that allow the little guy to start a business, but let's not pretend that this is some kind of panacea.
     
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    Agreed.

    If we really wanted to take a swing at this issue, the barriers to entry, it would be best to focus on ways to promote denser populations, the deregulation of the restaurant industry, and reduced land-use restrictions, among other things. The cost of living and operations are just too high, mostly due to unnecessary regulations and cronyism (part of the same problem).

    For instance, there are 232k fast-food stores in the United States, half of which could be restaurants owned by families, at least. This doesn't even include other restaurants currently operated by chains that could easily be replaced by superior competition from small families. With a reduced regulatory burden, a corporation cannot compete with a small family business. It's all the extraneous bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that makes it difficult to get people in a good position to succeed.

    This seems minor, but that is one particular kind of business that could put tons of families in a position to be self-sufficient. Regulations are killing the small guy and allowing the big guy to prosper.
     
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    Corporations have nothing to do with it. Do you really think McDonalds would even notice your flipping Lemonade stand? It's about making sure no bureaucrat goes jobless. It takes 160 days to start a burger franchise in Siberia it takes 260 odd days if your lucky in So. Cal.
     
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    Isn't that what America is built off of? Entrepreneurship. The American Dream is not this lackluster promise of owning your own house (which, unless you are part of the elites and can pay it off in cash, a house is a liability and not a asset in the least), its entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurship allows someone to make a name for themselves (conglomerates don't magically appear themselves), instead of being one of the faceless, forgotten millions in America that work regular jobs. People b*tch about the lack of jobs, jobs being outsourced, and therefore can't get work, well, maybe instead of running mouths on how bad the economy is, maybe more people need to start their own businesses, and be resourceful. And this is coming from a millennial.

    As a side note, the undertones of this post seem to indicate like the OP has a disdain for younger folks.
     
  25. liberalminority

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    someone could set up an outdoor grill next to a mcdonalds franchise and cook better burgers, do you really think the government or the corporation that bought the government will allow that to happen?

    the people are stuck with poisonous burgers made from mad cows for more profits, and no they aren't lazy they just aren't allowed to compete.

    we need someone who doesn't have rich donors from the corporations in government.
     
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