Not "Black Rights", "Human Rights"

Isn't things like the NAACP and Black Lives Matter and the like forms of self-segregation?

When I think about it, you have a group that claims to be looking out for the rights of just a particular section of the public. Isn't that racist? You have the "Black Congressional Caucus" in government. How? Isn't that discriminatory? I can understand the focus, but I think it steals from the true aim which is not simply- so to speak- to empower or elevate oneself but to promote a universal sense of the spirit of equality. Not a 1:1 forced sense of equality on every level- which would be a tyranny- but working towards a baseline in which we truly approach one another as equals in potential...in facility...in the rights to dignity...and that like.

But in order to combat modern forms of racism that Black people or any other people might experience, it is important to realize the forms of reverse-racism that come out from those people. You can't demand inclusion while excluding yourself. You can't say "I" and "Me" so much and expect others to take from this a "human concern" rather than a "personal ambition".

I think "Black Lives Matter" should be "All Lives Matter". And that instead of just focusing on Black people, they should focus on all people similarly abused. I think that's one of the major reasons why movements like Black Lives Matter fails. Because they always make it about themselves and so to another person, it's always some "other guys" problem. It exists in another world to another species and he's got enough things going on in his life to be involved, thank you very much. But when you show how police are as capable of brutalizing a White person, a Mexican, a Chinese person, a handicapped person, etc... then you show this as a human concern. You bring in all people to the table. You show that racism is just another form of classism. Classism is just another form of discrimination, and discrimination...just another tool of power.

And the true war has never been about race so much as power.

 

If your neighbor had a dog that kept pooping in your yard would you go to the police on behalf of every person who's had neighbor dogs poop in their yard or would you only mention your circumstance?

 

It's not self segregation, it's support in the form of a larger group. Churches are a good example. Blacks historically were not welcome in White churches (still are not in a lot of cases) so they built their own churches. Same thing with schools. Any group (women, minorities, handicapped) that has been historically or still is marginalized can find support and empowerment in an association with similar individuals.

The fact that racists call them self-segregators or accuse them of racism for doing so in indicative of the need for those associations.

 

But a person can reasonably argue that many of these organizations are no longer required. The NAACP for instance is struggling (or was) to stay relevant. There are almost no legal or societal issues to rally against anymore. The CBC is pretty much irrelevant now with the election of Obama and all black colleges no longer need to exist since segregation is for all intents and purposes, a thing relegated to the history books.

 

Discrimination and racism still exist everywhere in the US. Even the postings on this forum are indicative of that.

 

Join the #BMM movement. The ONLY movement that really matters.

 

I've no problem with the concept of black lives matter or that blacks matter.
What worries me is whites still don't realize they have the right to matter.
Whites have a right to exist as a group. To adapt Gen George Patton's phrase "A (race) lives breaths and fights as a team.
This individuality stuff is a bunch of Kr*p".
If you see someone pushing the idea that we have to act as individuals, not as groups, it's because they want every other group to act as loners while their group is organized.
Whites have to develop what GSP would call "unit cohesion"

 

And why's that? Just because we've come far doesn't mean there's still a ways to go.

As long as racism exists there will always be something relevant or to rally against.

How so? Obama's election doesn't just erase these issues.

Too bad there's far too much history at these schools, in addition to quality educations, good programs and the illusion that segregation is a thing of the past. Otherwise, no, there's no reason for certain people to think HBCUs are not necessary.

 

Well, I disagree that there are no longer any issues to rally around. There are plenty. Plenty. BUT, I don't like that fact that there are groups that will only represent some of these people who have issues and not all people. And on top of that, I think the NAACP is- even to that extent- non-functional. They are either horribly incompetent or simply another form of the power structure masquerading as a Black-progressive organization. A sort of rope-a-dope organization where people seeking justice are led-about in circles with, ultimately, no justice in the end. Ever see the NAACP's track record on actually attaining social justice rather than preaching it? Abysmal...

I don't think people should function as individuals, but that they should not separate themselves into groups based on superficial things like race.

 

It is self-segregation - you don't get that because you're a pseudo-collectivist..

You must not know any black folks or live around any black folks because they self-segregate for sake of being anti-social with the community... Many blacks want THEIR culture and want nothing to do with non-black culture so they have their little ghettos...

My neighborhood is extremely diverse but you know what it lacks? black folks.... Wonder why that is when there are Asians, Indians, Mexicans, Whites and Arabs all living within a block or two from one another? Of course the blacks live in their own little part of the town and it's a crime ridden ghetto....

 

Blacks who don't live in your part of town should consider themselves fortunate.

 

Lol ok.... Nice rebuttal.

 

That's right. MLK is rolling in his grave over these Leftwing BLM murderers. And the country knows who supports ALL lives matter and who supports the slaughter of police officers.

The Lying Felon 46, Trump 45. That's a statistical tie.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archive...n-and-trump-now-tied-as-convention-kicks-off/

 

As the drill sgt always says "There's no black, no white. You're all equally worthless"

 

Racism will always exist, it is unavoidable but discrimination can be combated against and we have done so. There are not enough cases of discrimination to justify the ongoing existence of these organizations. In fact, as we see in cases of affirmative action, it is often the white kid being denied entry, not the minority.

 

FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY BABAY. Read it and weep.

 

We must root out any CONCEIVABLE voter fraud, and spare no expense doing so, but the threshold of racism and discrimination is judged insufficient.

 

Some of these organizations are not merely about just fighting discrimination but also for providing for black people in all aspects of life, whether they're from poor neighborhoods and whatnot.

 

I agree.

IMO an unspoken belief in the "Black rights" movement is the right to welfare payments and perpetuation of the belief that it is A-OK to force the larger society to pay for the birth expenses and toddlerhood of 70% of Black births.

I feel sorry for the 30% that get confused with this crowd.

 

The goal of equal opportunity was essentially reached 50 years ago. Now the CBC, NAACP, etc. justify their existence by pushing for equal results (socialism) because equal opportunity isn't enough for them.

 

Not on your life. Study after study has shown similarly qualified Blacks are paid less than Whites for the same job. This applies to Blacks of all education levels. One study found the gap is as much as 23%.

They are also discriminated against for housing and employment. Some of the people on this thread and a few others (I'm not including you) are proof of the uphill battle they face.

 

You're kidding yourself if you honestly think everything is purely "equal" now.

 

When I sold my house a couple years ago, I was legally barred from refusing to sell to a black family. That's how it should be. Discrimination may happen, but it has to be in less than 0.01% of all situations.

And in employment? Companies are turning over every leaf looking for minorities. They'll go to extraordinary lengths to shield themselves from charges of discrimination.

 

The biggest obstacles blacks have are:

1) their culture that mocks academic success; to be smart is to be "white"
2) the breakdown of the family, caused by government policies that make fathers unnecessary

We can't do much about #1. And anyone who tries to fix #2 is branded a racist.

 

Just because things are better than they were in 1900 doesn't mean things aren't as good as they could be, if that were so then affirmative action would never have been necessary to begin with.