In defense of the Welfare State.

I do not know who should provide for the needs of all citizens, but I think housing, medical care, food should be a right.

 

I love when people make european comparisons for an american utopia... if we want the healthcare system they have, we'll have to slash doctor/nurse pay by 25-33% to be on par with what they compensate their workers for in the healthcare industry... do you think american doctors and nurses will accept a 25-33% pay cut to help out others? or will they rage and protests and strike and every other thing you can imagine to keep their pay and benefits? will you mandate it and forcefully compel pay cuts for them so we can achieve this utopia you want in this comparison?

see I notice everyone points out the good things in other countries, but they severely lack an understanding of how or why it works in those countries... and often the reason why it works in many european countries is because they make FAR less than their american counterparts for those "basic human rights" offered... I mean you tell me, if you're willing to pass a law slashing and controlling healthcare industry pay, and you think doctors and nurses will accept it, hey by all means run for president... but I suspect you will encounter massive resistance and likely never make it past the primary with a proposal like that... so let me guess, you'll just raise taxes on someone else for your european wet dream? instead of copying their model exactly, you'll just keep the excessive pay and benefits that are bankrupting it? but I thought theirs was better?

heh see above, its quite clear you're not an expert on the details, you don't even know the actual costs to run the math and see if it would work in america... and no, cutting the military budget in half wouldn't even come close to paying for it... I've run the numbers, its nowhere near enough... you'll have to cut employee pay, slash the military budget in half, and still raise taxes because you'll be short quite a bit... and thats assuming we don't add more people to the system... but lets be honest, once people learn they will get a bed, food, and money, even that little amount of $250 you suggest, you will have HOARDS of people flood that welfare system...

 

So then can a business infringe upon the job of the government?

 

I guess you aren't aware that in those societies that are heavily taxed and regulated their citizens have a higher standard of living - Scandinavia being the prime example. I should also note that the Republican led tax cuts and degregulation of the past few decades has not made the lives of American citizens any better. Rather it has led to a lower standard of living for a large number of people.

 

"The greatest problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money"

Dame Margaret Thatcher

[video=youtube;pCP3b_a2Zoo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCP3b_a2Zoo[/video]

 

The invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked attack on a small country that never threatened us or posed a danger to us. Turns out the whole war was so that Bush and company could get away with looting/destroying our public coffers as well as the economy in general.

 

Trashing our Vets now Mr. Nick?

Go ahead and walk that back...I know you will.

Trump would too...

 

In most cases government assistance doesn't cover all expences. A person using food stamps alone for their food would always be hungry. There is always need for more help.

 

Indeed, this basically sums up the SNAP program in the US. It doesn't cover enough.

So is that a failure of the program to adopt or from businesses and social organization neglecting their societal responsibilities?

 

All of which Republicans attack

 

Yes. When you work with homeless people it quickly becomes evident that most of them lack the ability to adequately take care of themselves.

 

If you're going t rely on business to feed anyone...they're gonna starve

 

Pretty much, but why?

 

Well I know that here in Oregon we have the Oregon Food Bank. Not sure who is behind it but most of the collected food comes from businesses - sometimes in the form of promotions. Most of it is distrubuted by churchs and other social organizations. The churchs aren't allowed to proselytize while distrubuting the food.

 

Well, then the reason why businesses and social organizations donate food then would be the answer. What do you think the answer is?

 

Apples... oranges.

 

Talk about complete BS. The welfare state is the worst idea any liberal idiot ever conceived. It was designed to create dependence and rob people of their human dignity while making them subservient to the state.

In addition it is completely illegal because the Constitution imparts no power to government to steal from one person to give to another. In fact it specifically prohibits it. Taxes may only levied for the general welfare, general welfare means everyone benefits equally.

The government can tax to build a road as it benefits everyone and therefore promotes the "general" welfare. The government cannot take money from Jack and give that money to Joe because Jack receives no benefit and in in fact damaged by this action. The government is not supposed to be in the business of asset redistribution, that is something that is done by third world dictatorships.

 

Sounds good and all until the bill comes due.

 

Sad but true.

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Thank G-d I live with my parents.

 

Honorable wars to stop an evil ideology. And when we pulled out of Southeast Asia? Millions were slaughtered. We should have stayed, like we did in Korea. We could have saved many lives and prevented millions from living under communism.

 

Iraq sponsored terrorism against our ally, Israel. And the entire world believed there were WMD's. It wasn't a story made up by Bush to get the oil.

 

You really need to study history. There is no such thing as evil ideology, only evil men, and the US has been as evil as they come when it comes to the mass murder of innocent people for the goal of imperialism. Korea and Viet Nam are national shames, just as the Mexican war and War against the Native Americans. Our prosperity has been paid for with the lives of millions on innocent people.

 

That's what Treasury bonds are for.

 

You've been reading some really slanted books. Put down Marx and Alinsky. Pick up some other books.

 

I am afraid you are a victim of the government school system that has left you unable to think critically. Like a parrot, you can only regurgitate what you have been told.....