The real reason Crimea was taken by Russia

All this time I thought Crimea was taken primarily because Russia needed a strategic area for the Russian fleet.
It is true, however it was not the primary reason.

I bumped into a Russian political debate of 1998 where it was stated that there was an agreement that in case Crimea would no longer be under Russian rule, it would need to go back to Turkey!

So I googled and found a bunch of articles confirming that ... just a sample - http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...ey-caught-in-the-Russia-Crimea-snowstorm.html

During USSR times Crimea was given to Ukraine which was a part of USSR that was ruled by Russia.
Since USSR collapsed Ukraine became independent. So there was a danger of Crimea going to the Turks.

Then, Ukraine was getting rogue with the U.S. financing the overturn of its government.

So Putin came in and just took back the Crimea after the referendum with no shots fired.

Excellent move - Crimea now cannot go to the Turks as stated in the original agreement and the Russian Fleet is coasting comfortably by Crimea.

Really good move by Russia to secure their own interests.

This also explains tensions involving Russia, Ukraine, US and Turkey ... very interesting.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Ed

 

Very interesting, never heard about it. I do not believe it is true.
Anyway, in both cases it would gone into NATO control, which was inacceptable.
NATO got Romania, Bulgaria to get an access to the Black See and send their ships there. Ukraine is the next piece on the way of establishing a control on the Black See. Pretty ambitious plan but is working, while people dying and country converts to ruin.

 

Crimea was Turkic Tatar, before the Russians came in as colonists.

There was a sizable Crimean Tatar population before Stalin deported them to Siberia.

 

The agreement was a true event. I see you are from Russia so you know of Zhirinovsky who was making this very point in 1998.
I just bumped into it today.

Concerning expansion of NATO ...
NATO will no longer be able to expand due to the flood of the migrants and of all the Nordic countries (their citizens) seeing the world clearer ...
And the main impediment to the expansion of NATO is the almost certain victory of Donal Trump and his clear unflattering statements concerning NATO.

I see some really interesting events developing in the near future.

The 2 most stable countries would be - United States and Russia.

The rest of the world would experience some serious instability.

Thanks,
Ed

 

Interesting part was that the Crimean Tatars of today are saying that Turkey apparently lost interest in them.
I am not sure what they mean by that, since today's Turkey has nothing to do with Crimea ... would you know what they mean by that?

 

Zhirinovsky is a complete nut, who's half Jewish, he'd support WW3, he talks about things like taking back Alaska, and sending Ukrainians to Alaska, WTF?

 

That is not the point. He was absolutely correct concerning what I referred to ... there are plenty of independent articles supporting this fact.

Do you have an answer to my question?

 

Turkey always looks to see what it can grab to restore its empire, so don't pay attention to it. What they do though, is create a mess like at Aleppo. It's because they wanted to grab the city that there are now refugees all over Europe and that fighting is still going on at Aleppo.. Turkey now decided that whichever one of the 6,000 Greek islands that isn't specifically mentioned in the Treaty legally belongs to them.

I do know they had designs on Crimea only because Turkey is Turkey. Anyway the Treaty was made between Imperial Russia and the Ottoman Empire, neither of which exists today.

What I do know is that the US had plans on taking over Sevastopol. They even had architects make designs on how the buildings would be converted for their own usage. ..and this is the real reason for the coup and why they manipulated the Western Ukrainians and ended up destroying the country.

At the time of the coup, the SS Donald Cooke left Virginia, and by the time the ship arrived at Crimea it was in Russian hands. As long as Yanukovich was alive it was all legal, since the agreement was for him to remain president until December. They tried to kill him, but Vladimir Putin managed to save him and get him to Russia.

 

I was born in USSR (Odessa) and my father brought us to U.S. in 1975.

But I still know as plain as day that no Russian would give up Sevastopol.
It is considered to be a heroic city people died for.
And if I know it CIA knows it 20 times over.

How can U.S, even consider taking Sevastopol when they KNOW there WILL BE a war?

 

Here's Vladimir Putin's response to those who want to take back Alaska:

[video=youtube;V78KjLEHzhk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V78KjLEHzhk[/video]

 

sounds like something Putin would do.

 

Nobody takes Zhirik siriously. Sometimes he may strike some really harsh says most of them against USA.
I think that Russia began to plan taking back Crimea in 2004 after the Orange Revolt, when Yushenko became president.
Then was when the first US-Ucranian military training in Crimea was sheduled. It was really bad and silly decision. The people in Crimea reacted and cut off the food supply to the military base, so your military had to go away.
That was the first call for Putin and his surroundings to plan taking back Crimea.

Regarding to the NATO expansion - no longer be able to expand just because there is not where to expand
And about Trump, yes it would be very funny to see what would hepen if he wins, but I do not believe in it. I think Hilary will be your next president.

 

Because the Washington 'think tanks' and our foreign relation committees are a bunch of idiots. They have no idea of the Russian mentality, and what Sevastopol means to them. Do you know that after the referendum for Crimea to join Russia, they still believed in Washington that Russia was only bluffing, and that they weren't going to keep Crimea. I couldn't believe the ignorance.



FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE

Hey McCain get your tail off the desk

 

And before the Tatars Crimea belonged to the Byzantine Empire. The ancient Greeks were the first to colonize Crimea, and it was under them almost continuously until the Ottomans took over.

 

From what I see Zhirinovsky is extremely popular in Russia with everyday people. And that is more important than being popular with media or intellectuals.
So what he says apparently resonates especially when his predictions concerning Crimea and Ukraine and her goal of entering EU were very accurate.

Concerning NATO expanding ... yes, NATO expanded significantly especially after it broke a handshake agreement with Gorbachev of not expanding.

Trump will win easily.
It really is clear as day once one sees through the fog of the media and propaganda.
And once he wins, NATO would need to start re-evaluating it's effectiveness.

 

If anyone touches Sevastopol even regular people would fight for it to death.
Amazing.

 

Actually, if you did not know (but you probably do know, since you seem to know everything on this topic ) ... it appears that the American Indians came from Yakuts in Siberia once they crossed into Alaska.

 

That was way before the Republics of California and Texas became part of the USA.
Let's make a timeline and decide, when are "borders worth defending" intellectually.



And what of and provinces loyal to her majesty losing autonomy.
And those holding deeds purchased from HBC (Hudson Bay Company) were told their deeds
were meaningless.
Lucky they didn't lose their blankets too.
Well they were Catholic, Metis, Scot, Irish, French. Not proper Anglo protestants after all.


How far back shall we take it?
Late 1800's & Canada
Early 1800's &
Early 1700's & Russia.
and the Kiev Rus too, way back!

[video=youtube;XEATiGKOTEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEATiGKOTEs[/video]

[video=youtube;i7vGnKXrVYI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vGnKXrVYI[/video]
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Although my Jewish ancestors were best off when the Czar ignored them!


Moi
1905 Mother's parents came to
from Kiev, Russia!

r > g

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Dear Jeannette

Don't we count Scythians as

Native Crimeans?

It's the P. C. thing to do.


Moi
Ukraine is a region of Russia


r > g

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

Crimea never was russian.
.it's been russian the last 200 years or so..the reason they took it was they needed a warm water port.

 

Information for sophomores: Russian came to Crimea earlier than Turks and Tatars

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тмутараканское_княжество

 

Kievan Rus was Ruthenian dominant.

Writing dating back to the Kievan Rus in Kiev, Ukraine resembled closely Ukrainian, rather than Russian.

Besides, Turkic Khazars were in Crimea before Kievan Rus, and Khazars are similar to Tatars obviously both being Turkic people from a similar region.

But, the earliest peoples of Crimea were Scythians / Alans.

But, DNA analysis proves that Tatars, along with the Udmurt are the closest genetic descendants of Scythians.

TA here represents Tatars, and UD here represents Udmurts.

 

I want to make an important addition. This was possible only because the inhabitants of the Crimea does not want to live under the rule of those who made the coup in Kiev.

 

In the same is now Ukrainian and Russian - the are two dialects of one language. And in the times of Kievan Rus - the more.

 

Yet Kiev Rus is a historical fact.

Most of the land Ukraine has really belonged to other countries.