The real reason Crimea was taken by Russia

I was born in Ukraine (Odessa) during the USSR times and we only knew Russian.
Everyone spoke Russian. Everyone.

Yet the two languages are very similar.

Today, when I hear Ukrainian on Youtube I understand it well when they speak slowly.

 

That is correct.
Crimeans voted by 93 % to re-join Russia.

Even the NY Times could not hide the fact that the transition was very peaceful and the will of the Crimeans and not a military takeover by Putin.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/world/europe/crimea-ukraine-secession-vote-referendum.html

 

Ruthenian is the Latin name for Rus.

Just to end the problem, DNA was taken from Western Ukraine and Russia, and it was found that they were exactly the same people. The only exception was the DNA from the Northern areas of Russia and Belarus that had in addition some Nordic DNA. What it proves is that the differences between Western Ukraine and Russia is not genetic and purely cultural because Western Ukraine fell under Poland and later Austria Hungary.

We have to remember that the Tatars are Muslims, and as Muslims they forced conversion and also had slavery, so their DNA would have a lot of the DNA of the original inhabitants in Russia as well as that of other neighboring people .

As for differences in language, it just happens that languages change very rapidly. If it had not been for the communication that we have, it would have been impossible for an American from New York to understand anything said by someone from Alabama and visa versa. Most of the nations in Europe chose one dialect and made it the official one taught in school.

As for who lived in Crimea, everyone. There were Greeks, Goths, Scythians, Germans, Rus, Genovese, etc. It was colonized by the ancient Greeks as were all the coastal areas in the Mediterranean and Black Sea. Later on Crimea became part of the Byzantine Empire. I assume the original language used for communication between the different people in Crimea and Southern Ukraine was Greek. That changed when Saints Cyril and Methodius gave the Slavs their own written language.

Anyway 60,000 Greeks were deported from Crimea by Stalin for not being willing to collectivize. Also Mariupol was a Greek city given to Crimean Greeks by Catherine the Great. When the Tatars tried to talk to Vladimir Putin about their historic ownership of Crimea, he pointed to the Greeks.

 

To add to this, I go on to a Greek news site since so little information is given us on what's going on in that part of the world. I found out that with the the fascist government in Kiev, the Greeks in Crimea became panic stricken and were begging Russia for passports. I also know that during the war two Greek towns in Ukraine protested about the new language laws, and they were bombed.

Also when the nationalists entered Mariupol, which was a Greek city given to them by Catherine the Great, the Greek consulate was swarmed with Greeks wanting to leave for Athens. This gave me reality, and this is why I stopped reading the MSM's.

 

This is true, there was such agreement between Ottoman and Russian empires. But I do not think that someone really now is taking into account the agreements signed in the XVIII century. In fact there were several reasons to take Crimea.

First of all, these are people who do not want to live in debility, Nazi Ukrainian pseudo-state.

The second reason is the historical reason. Crimea is the part of the great Russian military history. It is covered with graves of our soldiers who fought for this land at different times. Two defense of Sevastopol, the glorious history of the Russian fleet, and so on. The presence of NATO's base in Sevastopol would be a shame, and humiliation for us. Plus it would be a betrayal of our ancestors who died there.

The third one is the military's political reason. Crimea's owner controls all the Black Sea.

Finally, the fourth reason. The country with territorial problems and unstable borders can not become a member of NATO and EU. As the period, after the disintegration of the USSR has evidently shown us, that the western elite is not trustworthy, all words and promises of Western politicians cost nothing. We want to have the iron guarantee that Ukraine will never join NATO and EU. Taking Crimea and supporting Donbas we have created for Ukraine the huge territorial problem which does not allow the country to join NATO and EU. So if Ukraine wants to join these organizations in the first place it must resolve its territorial problems with its neighbors. That is impossible as you see.

 

As it usual Poles teach Russians Russian history. Lol. All that you always forget it is to read medieval Russian chronicles and to study primary sources.

First of all the English word Ruthenian has nothing to do with the self-name of inhabitants of Medieval Rus'. If you want to prove to us something you have to read the original texts of Medieval Russian chronicles in which authors use the slavic terms concerning the name of own people. Speaking about the period of IX-X century authors mention the names of tribes which were united in the ancient Russian state: Polans, Krivichs, Radimichs, Dregovichs, Drevlians etc. All tribes were united by the common term Rus'. The term Kievan Rus' was created by historians in XVIII century for convenience of a designation of this period in the history of the state. Sometimes historians use the term Kievan-Novgorodian Rus'. While the contemporaries who lived at this time used just a word Rus'. The term rusin has appeared later and was used as the self-name of people in all parts of former Rus', both in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Grand Duchy of Moscow. Also at the different times were used such words as Rus, Ros and Rusich. The word Ukraine has the late-medieval origin. There was no Ukraine in X century. So do not create the linguistic chaos please. Always use primary sources.

As for Scythians / Alans, these are different peoples. Scythians have disappeared after the invasion Ostrogoths on Northern Black Sea Coast. So Scythians could not take part in the ethnogenesis of Tatars and Udmurts. But Sarmatians could do it, as they lived east of Scythians just on the territory inhabited by Tatars and Udmurts now. As to Alans this is Sarmatian tribe related to Scythians. This tribe took part in the great Migration Period of peoples in the middle of the first millennium BC. Some of them migrated to Balkans where they merged with Slavs and participated in the ethnogenesis of Serbs. Some of them have migrated to the North Caucasus, where now live their direct descendants - Ossetians and the third part allegedly migrated to the territory of present-day Poland. This is why polish Szlachta believed themselves the descendants of Sarmatians. But I think this part of the story, you know better than me.

 

Because in the time of the USSR the official Ukrainian language was the Poltavan dialect which in the fact is one of dialects of Russian language. After the disintegration of the Soviet Union they impose as the official Ukrainian language the Galitsian dialect which is the mixture of Polish, Hungarian, Romanian, and something incomprehensible. Even Ukrainians call their official language as Der'mova, the word consisting of two parts Derjavnaya mova which is translated as the state official language but if you combine these two words you get the meaning the (*)(*)(*)(*) language. Wordplay.

 

Sorry you make it personal and racist.
It is a fact they were from, Kiev, Russia in 1905


BTW who were those ancient "Rus" who built Kiev?
And isn't it a continuity of one nation from those Rus to Moscow, Novgorod, Petrograd?
Please explain. Gracias

I would suggest it is those Poles, Lithuanians, Volga Deutsch and their Roman Catholicism
creating the problem in a most violent manner. Ref. The putsch in Kiev on a democratically
elected gov't. Why not wait 2 years for the next election? Because violence was a better
guarantee of gaining power than democracy. And who does a putsch remind you of?


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Because our present leadership is idiotic and appears to have no grasp of history.

 

One thing here is confusing. According to Justinians historian Procopius who lived in the sixth century AD, the Slavs led by the Avars were moving into the Balkans and killing the Macedonians. So according to him, they didn't enter the Balkans until the sixth century AD... yet you said BC.

 

And did you know that they couldn't figure out where the American Indians got their European DNA. Finally they reached the conclusion that it had to have come from the Slavs, and that they must have intermingled before migrating to America. Interesting huh?

 

Maybe closer to 300 years if you consider the influence and not just the Russian annexation - 1783 - 233 years ago.
California on the other hand has only been a part of the USA for 170 years.
How far back do y'wanna take it?
Consider, whose peoples.

In the 8th century BCE the Cimmerians (as in Conan?) migrated to the region and subsequently the Scythians as well it being the site of Greek colonies. The most important city was Chersonesos at the edge of today's Sevastopol.
Later occupiers included the Romans, Goths, Huns, Bulgars, Khazars, the state of Kievan Rus', the Byzantine Empire, the Kipchaks, and the Golden Horde. In the 13th century CE, portions were controlled by the Republic of Venice and by the Republic of Genoa. etc. etc.


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Writing from Kiev during the time of the Kievan Rus can be read by Ukrainians, but not by Russians.

How come?

 

Is it because of the letters or the vocabulary? Seems like Moscow deviated more from the original language than did Kiev since it was further away. The Galatians though have some kind of complex. Their hatred is unbelievable, I mean look what they did to the Poles in WWII?

The US is to blame though, because if they didn't try to use them for political reasons against the Soviet Union, and instead punished them for the massacres they committed, they might be different people today. Instead they had a coup and put them at the head of Ukraine, so that now what should have been one of the richest countries in Europe is completely destroyed.

 

Most graffiti were written by simple but literate inhabitants of ancient Kiev, and now this graffiti one of the most credible sources of Old Rus language, as the language spoken by the inhabitants of Kievan Rus, not the Church Slavonic language. Analysis of ancient inscriptions suggests that the Old Rus language has many similarities with the modern Ukrainian language.

http://sofiyskiy-sobor.polnaya.info/en/graffiti_st_sophia_cathedral.shtml

 

Sorry. It has happened AD of course. BC is my typing error.

 

Very interesting.
Thank you.

 

Then it is our leadership who are so politically zombified they no longer have even a trace of common sense left.
Unless CIA tells them ... "NO, you cannot touch Sevastopol" they will keep on marching to the edge of the cliff.

 

No need to write the legends for ignoramuses here. There are ancient chronicles dating back to the XII-XIII centuries. There are letters made of birch bark, found in Novgorod and dating from the XI century, more than 1,000 copies, which give us good examples of the language. The vocabulary of differences between the West Russian dialect (the population of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania) and the East Russian dialect (the population of the Grand Duchy of Moscow) for XV century, consists of 200 words only. In IX-X century Kievan Rus' was composed of different tribes, which had its own dialects. What dialect do you mean, writing about your graffiti in Kiev? Please do not spread the legend for the ignoramuses.

 

I can't understand it. I thought we still had some good history departments in the country. Maybe political correctness ( ie Marxist leveling) has somehow diluted them.

 

My slippers laugh from your words.
Let's сompar the Ukrainian and Russian.

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Рус.=стоять, сидеть, лежать, бежать, плыть, работать,трудиться, спать, есть, смотреть, слушать, говорить, писать, пахать, сеять, рвать, брать, давать, любить

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кохати*.- This is the Polish word.

дивитися*,орати* - These words were used in the Russian language 300 years ago

Even without knowing the Russian Ukrainian languages ..... comparing letters..... it is clear that the difference is small.

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Even Galician dialect is quite understandable if they speak slowly , or you are reading a written text .Ukrainian surzhik is almost Russian . So all this talks about the differences , are just the talks to poor people who know nothing about the subject.

 

What I find dumb, is that Americans are so overwhelmed with illusions of their own exceptionalism, and the belief that everyone wants to follow them and be like them, that they can't relate to others and how they really feel.

As an example, what if the US decided to do what the USSR did and unite with Mexico, and then in order to simplify things, California and Texas was given to Mexico to be administered. Then after a few decades the two countries decided to split up and Mexico refused to give back California and Texas.

Since the relations of the US and Mexico continued to be close it wouldn't matter to the Americans living in those two states. But what if an anti American foreign power decided to have a coup in Mexico, and they demanded that the Americans in California and Texas give up their language and heritage and speak Spanish? What do you think would be the reaction of the Americans living Texas and California?

If these English speaking Americans tried to gain their independence from Mexico, and began fighting, do you think the blame should be thrown on the American government who supports them, or on the foreign power who had the coup?

 

I agree; but IMO the Dems had plans for the Ukraine, such as Montsanto's GMO thing in the lush, untouched agricultural fields of Ukraine.

Another breadbasket, like Vietnam. People always have to eat; lots of money in that.

Eisenhower was oh, so right about the military-industrial complex.

If Trump doesn't win we may not get many more chances.

 

A good example of languages would be English since the sentence structure and the words most commonly used are German yet the majority of the words are French and were brought in by the Norman invaders. This doesn't mean though that it is not a German language.

If the sentence structure of the Ukrainian language is Russian, then both languages evolved from the same ancient source. For example I can hear the Church liturgy in Greek, yet not understand a word of it even though I know Greek... I mean I can't even understand the newspapers because they keep advancing the vocabulary each year, yet it's still Greek no matter what the dialect or how many thousands of years it goes back.

The Galatians would probably have been more open minded and understood things a lot better if they weren't influenced by Western Europe, and if they weren't being encouraged and manipulated today by the US and Britain.