Kansas Libertarian Failure Hurting Republican Office Holders!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/kansas-panels-scolding-brownback-preview-future-41152758

Libertarian fiscal policies DON'T work in reality and the good citizens of Kansas are sending a message to the GOP that they have had enough of this BS.

Please note that KS is a solid red state. Tr(oll)mp is leading by 14 points so it isn't about to switch sides. This is purely infighting within the GOP itself about the harm extremist Libertarian taxcuts have done to the state's economy and the citizens themselves.

Self inflicted injuries seem to be the theme for the GOP in 2016 and yes, they are all coming to a head now from policies implemented in the past.

This is an object lesson in what happens when you have a one party state government to all intents and purposes and they choose to impose ideological dogma over sound fiscal policies.

Time to reject what doesn't work and stick with what does instead IMO.

Agree or disagree?

 

Just a little more background on the Kansas races;

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a47327/kansas-primary-brownback-lose/

 

1. Why not include all the very successful and fiscally sound states governed by what you are calling inaccurately "libertarian" policies, who are leading the nation in growth and fiscal health? Here's a starting point for reasonable people seeking an objective, in context evaluation of "libertarian" policies, rankings are on the right of the page:

http://mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings (note 4 of 5 blue governed states at the bottom. Cali and NY near the bottom as well. LOL)

2. Do you understand the difference between losing a primary and losing an election? Apparently not. What evidence do you have that the people who won the primaries aren't in favor of Kansas existing fiscal policies? Since you added the needless huge font, you should be able to document that seat by seat for your claims to hold any water at all.

 

Sounds like Kansas needs some good old fashioned crony capitalism. With out politicians selling out goods, corporations will go where they can "buy" power. Kansas maybe on the outs in the Gazi (global socialist) community, but atleast they are free.

 

Kansas is a perfect example of how trickle down nonsense is a complete and total failure. Full republican majorities in both houses, and a degenerate republican governor. Those on the right prefer not to talk about it.

 

Non sequitur since you are deflecting to something that is completely irrelevant to the OP topic.

The answer to that can be found in #2 above but to save you the trouble of having to scroll back and actually read it here is the relevant portion that refutes your position.

 

Already linked the annual study of state fiscal health that puts most of the conservatively governed "trickle down" states at the top and the blue union-governed states at the bottom, so yeah, I don't mind talking about it at all, despite not being "on the right."

 

Free to die for lack of affordable healthcare?

Free to have their children suffer from having a good education?

Free to no longer have jobs and a future in their own state?



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In which case start your own thread instead of trying to derail this one which is about Kansas.

 

Denial of reality seems to be the only response that the extreme right has to offer when faced with a revolt because of their own failed fiscal dogma.

 

Emphasis added. 1. You obviously don't understand what is meant by "non sequitur," 2. Based on your OWN WORDS in the OP, my first point citing the Mercatus study is directly topical in this thread. You said, "libertarian fiscal policies don't work" and hoped to FOOL everyone by limiting your evidence of that claim to Kansas. Fool fail. As the study shows, most of the conservatively governed (or "libertarian" as you err) states are in far better fiscal shape than the liberally governed states. The study uses a variety of simple metrics to determine the difficulty states have paying their bills.

Oh, and as a juicy tidbit, Mercatus ranks the state of Kansas way above New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, California and Connecticut in fiscal health... and that's DIRECTLY on topic too. Ouchie

Dodge/deflection fail.

As far as my 2. point, you have produced -no facts- evidencing that the candidates who actually won in the primaries are hostile to Kansas' fiscal status quo. The stuff you bold is IRRELEVANT to making your case, and is just newspaper conjecture anyway.

 

Many libertarians tend to be nothing but simply liberals that don't want to pay taxes.

Like that open borders-loving Gary Johnson creep.



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My posts to this thread are squarely on topic, couldn't be moreso or more directly responsive to the now disproven claims in your OP. If you want to make a thread strictly on Kansas do so, you didn't here as a matter of the thread's written record. If you think my posts are off-topic, report them and let the mods sort it out.

You tried to ground a general claim about libertarian/conservative state government failure on the singular example of Kansas. I countered that claim with a well-respected study disproving 1. That libertarian/conservative governed states are less fiscally sound than others, and 2. That Kansas is less fiscally sound than the big blue liberal states. Kansas is, as a matter of fact, more sound than the big blue states.

The big non sequitur in the thread is your ASSUMING that the primary results in Kansas all represent some repudiation of Kansas fiscal policy, a claim you haven't evidenced at all.

 

Your denial of reality is not my problem.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article87255937.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/kansass-never-ending-budget-mess/479400/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/where-republicans-went-wrong-in-kansas/396398/

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article85630582.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/gop-must-answer-for-what-it-did-to-kansas.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/magazine/the-kansas-experiment.html

No, I don't expect you to read any of the facts about the fiscal basket case that Kansas has become because of the complete and utter failure of the Republican/Libertarian fiscal policies.

That would mean dealing with REALITY!

Have a nice day!

 

Aww he ran off a googling "Brownback bad" and came up with the same op ed dreck we have seen in so many Kansas threads here, just cut paste link em all with no comment. PERFECT PF leftist poster. Couldn't have created a better example of what passes for "leftist argument" if I tried. Thanks.

You find your "reality" in the same Kansas City Star hack Op-ed writer... OP... ED... WRITER... (and other biased LW union label Complex sources) that have been used in dozens of union label threads on Kansas here. All played out. We know that fiscally sound governing policies TERRIFY public unions used to extorting outrageous pensions, wages and benefits from beset upon taxpayers, said terror being the only reason for all the prolific Kansas hate. Go ahead, fess up, it's the truth and you know it.

I find my reality in a very straightforward university -study- that compares the states' fiscal health on several metrics and comes up with an overall score. This study demonstrates Kansas is far more fiscally healthy than California, New York, Illinois, Delaware, Connecticut, Massachusetts, the big liberal governing bastions are at or near the BOTTOM as far as fiscal health goes.

But do keep telling us about all the failure in Kansas. We are getting better and better with each thread in answering your Op-ed claims with -facts-.

You have a nice day too!

 

Thank you for proving me right that you have no interest in REALITY when it comes to Kansas.

 

The thread is about Kansas, not Detroit. If Kansas sells out, they'll lose everything and still not have affordable healthcare, education, and jobs, like every other liberal utopia.

 

In Kansas..... the TeaMOD EDIT>>>RULE 3<<<is pretty close to Libertarian. Aside from a Theocrat thing, not a big difference... but some Libertarians DO try to push Evangelic intrusions. Main point is Brownback etc were a very extremist "trickle down" and it devastated Kansas.

 

Did you miss the part in the OP about Kansas being a solid red state with Tr(oll)mp sitting at 14+ over Hillary?

Then again you might have a point that the entire state of KS will become the Republican version of Detroit. It is certainly headed that way under the Libertarian fiscal policies imposed on it by Gov Brownback.

Hopefully the MODERATES can repeal and replace his malfeasance and put the state back on a sound fiscal footing once again by RAISING TAXES and funding healthcare, schools, etc, etc.

 

UNTRUE. Kansas is a MESS and they KNOW it. MANY states have suffered from MOD EDIT>>>RULE 3<<< nonsense. Snyder has done BIG damage in Michigan ( Flint anyone?) and there's SEVERAL states where there's a likely MOD EDIT>>>RULE 3<<<backlash.

 

California is doing quite well. Much better than Kansas.

 

So, you now like the GOPe?

The GOPe poured tons of money into Kansas and ran tons of ads against conservative/libertarian TEA Party candidates.

 

Nobody is buying this bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

CA and NY's GDP alone adds up to all the Red states combined LOL.

 

Study says otherwise, placing Kansas in the middle of the pack, and all but a few of the big blue states near the bottom. So if Kansas is "devastated," then NY, Cali, Mass, Ill, Conn, etc. must be nuclear blast zones.

 

The only bull(*)(*)(*)(*) here is your erroneous attempt to equate large GDP with fiscal health. Large population blue states like Cali and NY SPEND more. Doesn't matter if you make a quadrillion dollars, if you are spending two quadrillion, that's not fiscally healthy. Learn basic finance, you desperately need it.

 

Kansas is number 27 in fiscal health. Cali is number 44. You just can't accept the data (love saying that to leftists LOL).