Are Democrats a threat to our democracy?

The votes have ALREADY been counted. When something is " re" it means done again....ie repeat. Liberals and the media in their stupidity have just published and are now spamming articles saying zero proof of fraud. So why isn't Hillary accepting the results? Why is she ok with millions being spent on counting something that has already been counted? It was her who said
"" to say you won’t respect the results of the election, that is a direct threat to our democracy,” Clinton said to cheers"

So why are YOU ok with democrats and hillary being a direct threat to our democracy?

 

Liberals seem to prefer some kind of a king or dictator.

 

Think about your rather leading question. The answer is of course "yes, we should fully respect the results of elections."

But what are the actual results? Is it what gerrymandering produces? Is it what purging voter roles produces? Is it what requiring voter IDs produces? Is it what creating insanely long lines of people waiting in the rain to vote in black urban neighborhoods and little-to-no lines in upper class suburban white neighborhoods produce?

Or is it what is produced when all legal, eligible voters are permitted to vote equally and fairly?

When voting is legal and fair and reliably counted, I believe the vast majority has and will respect election results.

 

If that's true, then they're no progressives.

You just described conservatives.

People who are for an adaptation to our times, instead of the other way around.

Let us be frank: Progressives, conservatives, regressives - they're all about society matters. Economically, we are led by neo-liberalism, Democrats like republicans, left like right - at least in your country.

Anyway, my intent was to denouce the use of words without actually paying attention to what they mean. If it wasn't for progressives, we'd still be working 16-h shifts and be paid with company store phoney currency.

 

The results are in, and the votes have been counted. Unless you have any evidence of fraud, you are just trying to find someway to justify a hypocritical stance.


"to say you won’t respect the results of the election, that is a direct threat to our democracy,” Clinton said to cheers"

 

Even if there's no Republicans in there (which I doubt), there are Greens, anarchists and communists, affiliated or not with a party. You are just being petty for partisanry's sake.

 

You should try to catch the news some time.

 

It doesn't matter what the definition is or what historical figures use the label.

What matters is what people claiming that label actually do. And they do very unpleasant things.

That is why it is so easy for radio personalities to turn those words into pejoratives.

 

So, Hillary considers them all a threat to democracy?

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Your white flag of surrender is noted.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) "Hillary"; Do you really think an anarchist who like to break things will pay any attention to "Hillary"? Ha ha ha.

If people cared for "Hillary", they would have voted for her.

"Hillary" is, officially, a non-entity at this point.

 

They really should...they used Obama as a way to drag the once so called "blue dog democrats" to the fringe left...the "you can identify as any gender you please, sanctuary cities are great, refugees from war torn Muslim countries are fine, let's ban guns, etc..." crowd has co-opted the entire party and the results are showing up from local to state all the way to the federal govt as people are refuting the bizarro world progressives are trying to create.

 

!) Yes, exactly. 'Progressives' are the new conservatives. They DON'T keep up with changing times, at all. They're still fighting battles fought and won last century.

2) Adaption to our times includes adapting to CURRENT and FUTURE needs, not fighting old battles. It also includes adjusting the mindset to the reality of a changing opposition demographic. Something many leftists seem to have trouble with.

3) Of course, I agree. Progress is very important. The problem is that the current understanding of progress (by the left) is that it's little more than social comforts for rich folk. And worse, they're still 'fighting' for things already won.

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It's an ugly side effect of too much safety and comfort. A little brush with bare bones survival usually cures a society of such vanities. Perhaps we just need a common enemy again, as we had during the WWs.

 

Then, must I insist, they are no true progressives. They're more like reactionnaries. Seems to me like a lot of people are, anyway, on both sides of the rethoric fences. Looks like independant thinking is now frown upon; It's cooler, easier to blindly follow a pack.

I just couldn't believe my eyes when I saw people generally allied with the "right" on this board defend Russia and taxing the 1% against the attacks of the "left". Seriously - partisan apartenance is all that matter now, even if the said party makes a 180-degree turn on its values.

Terms like "progressives" and "liberal" have now lost all meaning, being reduced to pejorative exclamations. How did we got so stupid?

If there's a problem with the progressives on this scene, it's in their desire to go too far too fast, faster than their environment, social, economic or other, can cope with, hence the conservatives' role. Both are necessary, and both need to have their act cleaned out, ideologically speaking.

I don't think much about these protesters, BTW.

 

Yes and no. Yes, they go too far too fast, but they're going far and fast in the wrong places. They're taking old battles won, and trying to adorn them ... instead of finding new battles. They focus in on these adornments to things not requiring any further attention (much less, the vanity of adornments), while the house burns down around them. They're like the vain and spoiled children of kings .... who are so removed from reality that they can no longer see it. All they can do is police courtly manners.

 

We as a species are still in a fairly primitive state. All one has to do is look at the way we still settle our differences on a worldwide scale. There are still many battles left to be fought and free thinkers, progressives and liberals will be there at the forefront as always to move us forward as a species and as a country. Either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. Standing pat is not an option. In my 62 years on this planet, I have seen a lot of PROGRESS, but there is still a long way to go. Cheers

 

Not saying they all don't lie. You think I LIKE politicians=) The difference here is, Trump's lies are mostly meaningless B.S. Many are simply boasting or exaggerations. HIllary's lies are calculated. ALL OF THEM!!! They weren't her speaking to some dude when she thought the cameras were off. Her entire adult life and every sentence has been calculated and planned, so when she lies about a video causing Benghazi....THAT has a lot of weight. When she lies about not "intending" to do wrong with her emails and server, that's her making a risk assessment of the lie. She knowingly lies because she knows most of the media won't call her out on it and as we've seen, the courts won't prosecute. She gets a free pass. THOSE kind of lies are a real DANGER, compared to Trump saying, "I saw a bunch of people celebrating 9/11 on a roof top." Does it matter if he saw a small group or a large group? We KNOW people were celebrating here and elsewhere. Its documented on video. It truly has no bearing if it were 50 or 100. And the FBI KNEW Benghazi wasn't caused by a fracking video, but the ENTIRE administration LIED because it would make Obama look bad in an election cycle. THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS!!!!!!! Trump claiming this person or that person likes him, or he spoke with that guy and his business made 2 billion instead of 1.7 Billion, ect. It doesn't mean (*)(*)(*)(*)!!!!! And since he's been a private citizen for 99.9999% of his life, to judge his words on Howard Stern's show, where it supposed to be entertaining and bluster and exaggerations in the same manner as Hillary being paid to talk in front of CEOs and wall street bankers...is frankly INSANE!!!!

And Republicans don't get away with lies like Democrats do, because the entire MSM calls out Republicans for every lie. Only FOX and a few publications are there to keep track of Democrats, and their reporting is instantly dismissed as biased...so &$*#((@ the MSM and people who listen to their "views" as gospel. When the majority of people paid to report EVERYTHING only report what they want to, that's a recipe for disaster. You know it. EVERYONE knows it.

Listening to NPR the past few days report on Castro for example should make any educated intelligent person puke. The tone would make you think the guy was Reagan or something and not a evil mass murderer.

 

Real democrats are not threat at all. Radical leftwing democrats that hijacked the party are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm pretending I'm a FidelTrump voter trying to hide from something Trump said , "oh, that was just campaigning, he didn't really mean it"

 

Does this make sense to anyone else ?

 

yes, far left and far right are the issue.....

 

Yes, if you apply the same standards/statemets to the OP and what it said about Clinton.

Even though the Trumpers wish to ignore what Trump said in campaign speeches because he flip flopped so much on what he said they seem to think Clinton can't do the exact same thing Trump did.....

 

and once we have the final results we will respect them, and so far all indication are Trump will be the next President, I do not see that changing unless there was some really crazy fraud involved that favored Trump, but no one predicts that or do we see any signs of that thus far

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In answer to the thread question. Not for a while anyway.