The Story Of Mohammed: Islam Unveiled.

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  1. Margot2

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    You absolutely don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    I'm not interested in flamebait.
     
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    Jesus is referred to as the Messiah 9 times in the Quran. The above quote says that you must believe in the teachings of Jesus along with those of Muhammad to be admitted into Paradise.
     
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    You are not interested in providing simple answers to simple question or backing up your BS you spew
     
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    That is the very reason why you and many Muslims lack the knowledge and are illiterate about the history of Islam and Mohammed.
    They only get to learn about the true history in Western countries because in Muslims countries it is a crime to learn about the true history of Mohammed and Islam.

    The Koran and Hadith clearly stated that Mohammed was instructed to spread God to the people not to create his own religion. He was instructed to consult with the existing Christians and scholars. Also it is clearly stated that it was Kahdija who convince Mohammed to preach about God and that the spirit that appeared to him was actually Gabriel and not a genie.

    That was why Mohammed's early preaching when Kahija was still alive was all about or resemble Christian faith it was all about tolerance, respect, love for one another and most of all Mohammed did not took in any wife or wives when Khadija was still alive it was only after Khadija's death that Mohammed begun preaching differently his teachings became violent and he started to took in many wives.

    If we research Mohammed and his history carefully we will conclude that he was a preacher a prophet whose original mission was to spread Christianity to the desert tribes and not to create his own religion called Islam. It was after he was exiled to Medina that he became a changed man he started to deviate from his original mission and started to preach about himself this is why Islam have the crescent moon as their emblem and symbol of faith it is the religion of Mohammed the Kabaa.
     
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    Muhammed wasn't exiled to Medina.. The only Christian populations were in Najran and Tarut Island and they were Nestorian Christians.

    WHO instructed Muhammed to spread Christianity?

    You must have some documentation.. Where's your link?
     
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    The Koran contradicts who Jesus was. The Koran teaches that it was a look a like of Jesus Christ that was crucified. It teaches Mohammed is Jesus equal which in reality Mohammed is not Jesus equal, Mohammed was a warlord and his teachings were all contrary to Jesus Christ.

    Also the Koran wrote that Jesus openly claim he is not the Son of God if that is the case then why would the Pharisees want to crucified him?
    if Jesus has openly claim he is not the Son of God then there is no reason for him to be crucified.
    The look a like that was crucified he could have easily deny God and submit to the Pharisees demand to renounce that he is not the Son of God why didn't the look alike did that?
    Answer is because the Koran got everything wrong it was all a made up stories by Mohammed in order to gain followers by exploiting Jesus Christ and God.
     
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    Mohammed was definitely not instructed to create his own religion called Islam.
    Mohammed was definitely instructed to consult with the Jews and Christians.
    It is also clearly stated that it was Khadija who convince Mohammed that the spirit was Gabriel and not a genie it was also Khadija who encouraged Mohammed to preach and spread what was reveal to him by the spirit.
    and if you go point by point it is also clear that Khadija and her cousin were Nestorian Christians that explain why they knew about Gabriel the angel and about Christianity and they counsel Mohammed about his spiritual experiences.
    It is also very clear that Mohammed did not took any wife or wives when Khadija was still alive it was only after her death and after he was exiled to Medina that he started to took in wives and his teachings changed to become more violent.
    Where is your link that Mohammed was instructed to create Islam?
    Where is your link that Mohammed was not exiled to Medina?
     
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    Muhammed wasn't a warlord.. He was a caravan operator and merchant. He was invited to Medina as an arbitrator. Khadijah died in Medina.

    I never said Muhammed was "instructed" to create Islam..

    Your crap comes from that illiterate halfwit "Brother Andrew".. and he doesn't know anything about Islam either.
     
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    I did, you either couldn't understand or refused to.

    This discussion has ceased.
     
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    My statement

    Your response

    and your "explanation" of what I was "wrong about".

    You haven't yet even engaged with anything relevant in the discussion.
     
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    Than stop talking to me.
     
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    The Quran has no beef with Jesus nor his teachings, in fact they require the faithful to adhere to his teachings. In fact Muhammad was only close to but not equal too Jesus in the Quran, both were profits but Jesus was the Messiah capable of miracles, specifically, restoring sight to the blind.
    Muhammad didn't support all the Christians of the time. He had been raised with many Gods but he became monotheistic because of Christian missionaries/preachers. The split came because there were two camps of Christians, those that believed Jesus was the Messiah like he believed and those that believed Jesus was the son of God. He believed that you can not be monotheistic and worship God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost separately.

    You will find no violence in the Quran not found in the Old Testament. It's a question of what people do with it. Few Christians, Jews and Muslims would promote genocide for example but Moses did and some Christians, Jews and Muslims today do. To condemn Islam is to condemn Judaism and Christianity as well.
     
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    There are a lot of very different flavors of Islam so maybe the person knows one flavor that you don't.
     
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    I know a half wit hater when I see one... and they are typically "anonymous"..
     
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    The Koran change the entire essence of Jesus just like it changes the entire Bible history and story it adheres to what the Nestorians and other heretical Christians preaches and practice, Mohammed gave them a voice backed up with militancy and political enforcement. Koran demand that Muslims do not worship Jesus Christ. The Koran a self proclamation that Mohammed is tghe greatest prophet when in fact he is the greatest Arabian warlord. There too many Muslims that promote genocide that is why we witness so much struggle in Muslim countries since the time of Mohammed to this day. To condemn Islam is to set Muslims free to learn and be educated to the real history of Islam and its founder Mohammed the very reason why so much restrictions for Muslims to learn the truth is to keep them ignorant and oppressively under the control of Islamic leaders.

    Too many Muslims have risk their lives others have died to learn the truth and to leave Islam.
    Muslims outside of Muslim countries are practicing the Christian side of Islam the early teachings of Mohammed minus worshiping Jesus Christ that is the history that is being promoted and proselytized to the Western world while Islam in Muslim countries practice the second teachings pf Mohammed that was full of violence, hatred and discrimination.
     
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    Mohammed used to be a merchant or a caravan operator then he became a preacher than a warlord.
    You don't have to say Mohammed was instructed to create Islam because he was never instructed to do so he was instructed to consult with the Christians and Jews not to declare war on them which is what he did after he was exile to Medina.
    Khadija was the one who convince and encouraged Mohammed to be a preacher it was she who convince Mohammed that the spirit was not a genie but Gabriel and yet Muslim scholars have no answers if it was Gabriel then why didn't Gabriel knew that Mohammed could not write or why the spirit failed to calm instead the spirit frighten Mohammed so much that he wanted to commit suicide?
    Islam only want to preach the old teachings of Mohammed to the West as a trap to get converts while refusing to abrogate Mohammed's second half teachings that was full of violence against Muslims, Christians, Jews and others.

    Luckily, many Muslims in the West and slowly creeping into Muslim countries it is Mohammed's first testament that is being preached.
     
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    Baloney.........
     
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    I see the doors to the asylum was left open again.
     
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    We needn't even debate the teachings of the Koran to see that the followers of Islam, who usually aren't offered a choice in religions, lag far behind Christians, Jews or most other religions. Whatever Mohamed did for a living really doesn't matter a great deal in today's world.. http://en.europenews.dk/Nobel-Prizes-4-Muslim-vs-129-Jewish-Contributions-to-the-World-78229.html

    http://en.europenews.dk/Nobel-Prizes-4-Muslim-vs-129-Jewish-Contributions-to-the-World-78229.html
     
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    Wow and all this time I thought of Mohammad as the leader of a band of thieves and caravan raiders. His beheading techniques are still adhered to by modern day jihadis are they not?
     
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    We don't need to do much young people thanks to the internet have access to all kinds of information and can evaluate Islam and other religions and Atheism and its arguments and then make up their own minds.
     
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    Sadly such availability of information are block in Muslim countries and Jihadist are exploiting the internet and cyber web in spreading Mohammed's 2nd Testament of terror, persecution, oppression and violence and not his 1st Testament. When there is an army of Jihadist that is capable of taking over an entire city, region or country that is a serious Islamic teaching problem.
     
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    Yes that is what the Jihadist and many Muslims and none Muslims always said when confronted with the true history of Islam and Mohammed that is why Muslim countries have very violent and oppressive laws against anyone from learning the truth.

    As I have pointed out when it comes to open fair discussion and presentation of facts Muslim scholars have no argument and they always walk out others turn to jihadism. Maybe this is why Mohammed did not consulted with Christians and Jews as he was instructed by God it was because he has no case and so he turns to violence and use of militancy and force enforcement of his teachings.

    The Koran change the entire essence of Jesus just like it changes the entire Bible history and story it adheres to what the Nestorians and other heretical Christians preaches and practice, Mohammed gave them a voice backed up with militancy and political enforcement. Koran demand that Muslims do not worship Jesus Christ. The Koran a self proclamation that Mohammed is tghe greatest prophet when in fact he is the greatest Arabian warlord. There too many Muslims that promote genocide that is why we witness so much struggle in Muslim countries since the time of Mohammed to this day. To condemn Islam is to set Muslims free to learn and be educated to the real history of Islam and its founder Mohammed the very reason why so much restrictions for Muslims to learn the truth is to keep them ignorant and oppressively under the control of Islamic leaders.

    Too many Muslims have risk their lives others have died to learn the truth and to leave Islam.
    Muslims outside of Muslim countries are practicing the Christian side of Islam the early teachings of Mohammed minus worshiping Jesus Christ that is the history that is being promoted and proselytized to the Western world while Islam in Muslim countries practice the second teachings pf Mohammed that was full of violence, hatred and discrimination.
     
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    Are you nuts? What Muslims countries have you been in to find information "blocked"?
     

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