The Story Of Mohammed: Islam Unveiled.

AND considered by Sunnis to be THE MOST authentic of the Hadiths, 2nd only to the Koran, so not sure of your point.

 

Infinitely more authentic than the personal thoughts bouncing around in your head you use to support your assertions.

 

A lack of awareness that it is the doctrine of the Koran and hadiths that motivates the likes of ISIS, in and of itself isn't the problem. Its when those with this lack of awareness start speculating as to what it is that motivates them, that we get ourselves into trouble.

 

It seems like an act of futility to think about their motives. Who cares? They don't want understanding. They want dominance. We as people in the age of reason should understand you can't reason with people in the age of religion.

 

YOU should care. It is why they act the way they do. The reason Isis is a threat is because our political leaders do not understand the enemy. Hell, the current administration won't even recognize them as enemies. Hopefully, Trump will be a more effective defender of our country. I sure as Hell don't see how he could possibly do worse. At least he'll make the effort. Which is more than I can say about the Muslim in Chief, may he and Moohammed both burn in Hell.

 

And yet his followers follow them. So what's your point? Whether or not they are authentic, Islamists follow them. That's all that matters.

 

What did Sun Tzu say? Know your enemy. Those words are as true today, as they were when they were written. It is much easier to defeat an opponent, when you understand what motivates them, and how they behave.

 

I had an anthropology prof at university who hated arab muslims. Which is so highly unusual when it comes to anthropologists. He spent several years there in the arab middle east. Like most profs outside of business schools, he was a flaming liberal. And out of all of the cultures he had lived in, from the middle east to the Amazonian hunter gatherers, it was only the arab muslims the guy hated, detested, and spit on. Why did he feel this way? Well he told us.


He said what turned him against them were their behaviors toward western women. In the 1960s, early 60s, when he first went there, it was common for arab muslim men to sexually assault western women on their streets. They would surround her, if not with a man, shove their hands up under their dresses, and finger rape them, and if there was an available alley, she would get gang banged. No one stopped it. If not a rape, they would just hold her and take turns jamming their fingers and hands up her western (*)(*)(*)(*). He witnessed this so often, so habitually that he hated these bastards to the core. We were quite shocked, for we could not believe the man was serious, and yet he was dead serious. This behavior has not changed and you know it. So cover for these barbaric bastards all you want, be an apologist for them, but do not expect people to believe you.

For western women are not given the same respect as muslim women. Afterall they are infidels, and these were not radical muslims doing this, just your moderate muslim males. If this religion was wiped from the face of the earth, it would be a great service to civilization. In fact civilization should not tolerate these muslims. They are barbaric anachronisms, and the only good ones are the intelligent ones who deserted that religion and embraced secularism. The reforms needed are so deep as to be virtually impossible to happen. It is the nature of the religion itself. The world's most dangerous religion.

 

Well, there are plenty of Muslims that aren't in isis. Do they live by a different doctrine?

I personally hate Islamic ideology, it demands my death. I live around muslims they don't demand my death. They have abandoned islamic ideology, number one they live in a state without sharia law. So they don't follow the ideology.

Islamic Ideology and muslims are sometimes congruent, definitely so in the middle east but not always.

So no you shouldn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the doctrine either. It's the actions that should be condemned. If a Muslim can live in peace in and amongst a Christian community I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about their doctrine. They're proof it's possible. Some people don't want that, that is due of their ideology, not their doctrine.

 

Sun Tzu was a brilliant man, and I know the enemy, i don't think you do. Muslims are not our enemy, yes our enemies are muslim, but those two things aren't the same. To make this a little clearer, I'll relate it to world war 2. One of our enemies was the Nazi regime. Yes they were German. That does not mean Germans are our enemies. There were millions of German immigrants here, there were German allies in Germany that sought to over throw the Nazi regime.

To know our enemy is to first know who it is. It's the Islamic regime, there are muslims that defect, that seek to over throw islamic rule in the middle east. They live by the same doctrine unless you are saying there is another version of the Qur'an.

Agreed. We understand muslim doctrine, people say we don't because many people conflate muslim doctrine with islamic ideology. Muslim doctrine isn't that difficult to understand especially if you understand christian doctrine. Like it or not they are sisters. As well as Judaism.

So to know your enemy you must first name it. And the enemy is muslims that do this because their ideology demands it.

Do you know why islamic ideology is our enemy?

 

Beware of those muslim 'friends' It is a well known practice of theirs to pretend to be peaceful, until they have the strength to defeat their enemies. Just look what happened in Europe. They immigrated, then started breeding like rabbits. The whole time, they pretended to be peaceful. Look at what's happening now. All according to their doctrine. I would not trust any muslim, no matter haw peaceful they acted. They are liars. In fact, they are encouraged to lie by their pedophile prophet. Anything that benefits Islam is condoned. They deceive others until they have enough numbers to assure victory. The same thing is happening in America. Thankfully, Trump will be our next President. No more unvetted muslims entering the country. And, just a guess, I'm thinking you haven't read the OP, or you wouldn't be posting this BS.

 

Some do...

 

So you believe all Muslims are in a secret conspiracy to take over the world?

 

I see worth in every religion. There are some beautiful virtues and teachings even in Islam and Islam has become such a well-rooted part of everydaylife in so many cultures.

Muslims are not all poop sacks, but Islam is - overall - quite a poop sack of an ideology. We have to remember that Islam is so much more than a religion, it is more of a law that dictates practically every aspect of life. It is expansive and forcing. It destroys civilisation and is not very nice.

 

Ideology and doctrine. Because it dictates the form of government and law to be applied.

 

Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute. Qutb

 

Its kind of like Christianity's commandment to "Love your enemy" and "turn the other cheek" to him when stricken. Probably only 5 or 10% literally follow the commandment. We have 5 or 10% of Muslims who are behind the conspiracy to take over the world?

 

There is a word for that.

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They adhere to islamic ideology.

 

Supremacism is the worldview that a particular age, race, species, ethnicity, religion, gender, social class, ideology, nation, or culture is superior to other variations of that trait, and advocates those who identify with it to dominate, control, and subjugate those who do not.

Islam is supremacism..or could I say apartheid

 

Ideology AND the written doctrine of the Koran and hadiths.

 

If they don't adhere to the ideology the doctrine is benign. It's ideology.

 

The purported goal of all religions is to convert all of humanity.

Why wouldn't it be?

Christians and Muslims have existed side by side for centuries. Wars between them have been fought. The body count of these wars is dwarfed by wars fought between Muslims, and THOSE body counts are dwarfed by wars fought between Christians.

I have trouble with all religions, and I will say that Islam is particularly troublesome, but to pretend that there is some kind of genocidal war coming is flat nonsense.

 

You've evidently not read any of the doctrine.

 

Well christianity and Judaism share a lot of it. So I'm not so quick to call out doctrine. Plus there are muslims that don't adhere to radical or moderate ideology. Are you saying they have a different Qur'an? Or are they just muslim like deists?

 

Well a muslim who grew up in Saudi Arabia, and who left the religion when his family moved to Canada tell me that what muslims tell infidels in public is not what they tell one another in private. So you are a product of this. Which has been obvious all along. I think I will trust a muslim who is no longer a muslim over what you, a propagandized westerner tells this forum. I am of course speaking of middle eastern sunni muslims here.

From what the stats have said, polls, the majority of muslims, even moderate muslims want sharia law as the law of the land. And that will forever make them unfit for modern civilization. This is one of the reforms needed in this 8th century mentality religion. The number of muslims who are fit to be a part of modern civilization are in the minority. They are not accepted by even moderate muslims. Islam is a pox on modern civilization and will remain so until that religion is reformed. Any people that would choose theocracy over secularism are dangerous people, even if you try to turn them into Snow White. The muslim I referenced knows this, but you, for some reason do not know it. But lots of folks are duped, you see them on forums.