The Story Of Mohammed: Islam Unveiled.

The facts just keep getting in the way of your arguments, Margot.
Press freedoms in Islamic nations are horrific - just sort this list that ranks the press freedom of each nation, and you'll see many many Islamic countries right up there with the king of blocking the press (North Korea): https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press-2016/table-country-scores-fotp-2016

Can you condenm Mohammad for ordering or approving the killing of mere critics of his, Margot? You've never agreed to that before, but maybe you've grown weary now of defending the indefensible. What say you?

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This will eventually spell the end of most major religions. In the past, a 14 year-old would just TRUST the word (the lies) of an Imam or preacher ("our holy book loves all peoples, my child"), but today they can see FOR THEMSELVES (kill gays, the Islamic and Christian texts say, etc.) So they can see for themselves that Mohammad and Jesus didn't actually love everybody, and that they were frauds.

 

Freedom House is a shameful propaganda site. How have you been so deceived?

 

They have Norway as #1, and North Korea at the bottom....I'd say they are quite accurate.

Islamic countries are so barbaric, so anti-freedom, that if you draw a cartoon of some dead prophet that they'll kill you. Burn a Qur'an, and they'll kill you. Condemn Mohammad and they'll kill you. "Blaspheme" Islam and they'll kill you. Clearly, that list is accurate (having many Muslim nations as the very worst on that list.)

Can you, Margot, condemn the Saudis for having legal penalties against publicly condemning Mohammad and/or Islam? I stand for freedom - how about you?

 

You avoided this question of mine in your reply, so we'll take that as a "no, I steadfastly refuse to condemn Mohammad for ordering or approving the killing of mere critics of his."

That would be like ME refusing to condemn someone who killed YOU (you are a critic of mine)....but I care about people, and care about you more than Mohammad did, so I of course WOULD CONDEMN anyone who tried to hurt you in my name at all. So of course I'm more compassionate and ethical than Mohammad was.

Maybe someday you'll join me in condemning the killing of innocent people (like Mohammad committed). I look forward to that day, Margot.

 

Speaking of "deceived", can we agree that those that believe that a magic invisible "jinn" could be living in my nose would be insane, and anybody who believed that insane person (Mohammad) would be delusional/"deceived"?
Can we agree on that, Margot?

 

Exactly!

A lot of the problem is based in irrational group identities that span centuries. This is exacerbated by political and religious institutions (both in Western and Muslim countries) that are bent on proselytization (both religious and political philosophies).

People and governments have the irrational belief that the world would be better if everyone were to believe the same things they believe and live the way they live.

My observation is that religions are like penises.

1. Not everyone has one.
2. Not everyone wants one.
3. Most people who have one do not want a different one.
4. While one's own may seem normal to oneself, it is common and understandable that others think it looks weird.
5. Most people do not respect people who try out lots of different ones.
6. It is rude to take them out and wave them around in public.
7. It is a sign of antisocial and psychopathic tendencies to force them on someone else.
8. They are not a basis for sound decision-making.
9. They are disasters as a basis for public policy.
10. Havoc often results when there are contests between them

 

The problem with talking about a religion is the inevitable equivocation. A religion is simultaneously a lot of things that usually differ and often contradict each other in extreme ways.

• The scholarly definitions and interpretations by academics, critics, anthropologists, and bystanders
• The official doctrine espoused by the religion's institutional hierarchy
• The multiple interpretations of that doctrine by the local religious officials, priests and clerics
• The actual literal text of whatever religious scriptures are extant
• The multiple interpretations of the texts by various officials, individual devotees, and scholars
• The culturally based group identity, independent of belief or practice
• The multiple actual beliefs of the various devotees.
• The multiple actual practices of the various devotees

Most of the Muslim contribution to math was to bring algebra, the zero, and a number system west from India. (Counterintuitively, "Arabic" numerals are not Arabic in origin.) Muslims did not actually develop the number system, algebra, or the concept of the algorithm.

Most of the Muslim contribution to science was to bring west from the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) many Greek classics, lost to Western Europe when the Western Roman Empire fell. Some of the principles were embraced by Muslim scholars, like Abu Bakr Ibn Tufail, and Ibn al-Nafis, but Islamic culture did not embrace empiricism and develop it to the degree European culture ultimately did.

Our concept of science developed in Europe based on the Greek sources, developed by Thomas Aquinas and William of Occam, and ultimately practiced by Galileo Galilei, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Isaac Newton, and so on. The only contribution Islamic culture made to the European development of science was transporting books from Constantinople to Al Andalus.

 

Here are more anonymous half-wit haters. https://www.google.ca/search?q=musl...8-rQAhVMxmMKHUraCOAQ_AUICSgC&biw=1600&bih=791

 

Muslims are not allowed to like us-
[Koran 5.51]- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, they are friends of each other"

 

Religious people are such big bigots.

3 John 1:5-7 (NKJV) = "5 Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the brethren and for strangers, 6 who have borne witness of your love before the church. If you send them forward on their journey in a manner worthy of God, you will do well, 7 because they went forth for His name’s sake, taking nothing from the Gentiles."

 

I don't follow mate, what are you saying about that verse?

 

He is not really saying anything. He's just copying and pasting from a web site and clearly doesn't see the irony in his own bigotry.

 

Muhammed also said, "Be kind to the Christians for they are nearer us in faith".

 

Where did he said that? Besides, the further you read into the quran the more violent it becomes and Muslims are taught that the later scriptures trumps (hehe) the former ones.

 

No they aren't taught that.. That's just what Western halfwits say.

 

Well, whatever they are being taught doesn't seem to have done them much overall good. It is a waste of human life.

No free born human being should be forced to live their lives under these strict, often inhumane, conditions, especially women and young girls. It is a religion that is largely indefensible and requires strict belief from an early age rather than open and honest inquiry. That is why the laws against 'defaming' Islam are so strict.

Muslims, in their hearts, must understand how ridiculous and backward islam really is but to come to that recognition would be turning their backs on all they have learned, their history, and often their own families as well. It is a very difficult, and often dangerous, decision to ask too many questions for a Muslim or to consider leaving altogether.

 

Yeah, a lot of stuff I disagree with. But apparently most women are reasonably happy with living in Muslim
Societies. As long as people do not try to foist their values into me, I consider it to be "not my business"

Mormons apparently forbid caffeine, but I like my coffee. I figure mormons should be free to avoid coffee as long as they leave me alone to enjoy my coffee

I feel that way about all religions

 

I'm saying that the writer was a bigot.

 

Huh??
PS- your profile is a blank, so just for the record are you muslim/atheist/satanist/jewish or what?

 

Who do you say I am?

 

Actually Jesus didn't claim divinity at all. Wise men don't worship other human beings. This is a disgrace to God.
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. (Matthew 15:9)"

 

Fred, have you ever ben out of the US?

 

No need to get involved in my personal life, Margot. I'm not here looking for anything other than the exchange of opinions.

 

Gday Fred
According to Margot, there are over 60,000 hadiths which are mostly unauthenticated.
Adding to this there is the multitude of muslim "groups" ie sunni, shiite, etc all of whom I presume
would have a different interpretation of the koran, hadiths and sunnah.
And then there are the various terrorist groups which are simply murderers, and the lone wolf
attackers who are also murderers.
How on earth will they all ever agree to believe the same thing.
Its not going to happen.
All we can do is learn these things and make our own decisions.
Margot is a muslim apologist, and will always give you a totally biased answer.
One thing I do know is that free speech is slowly disappearing in favour of islam,
assisted by incompetent politicians who wouldnt know what sharia law was until
they found themselves losing an arm....or whatever...
The spread of sharia law is the ultimate goal of islam and it must be stopped.

 

Hi Billy.

Yes, I'm aware of Margot, her history, and all the many other Islamic apologists in the media and on forums such as this. It was her I was referencing when I mentioned those trapped in islam rather than being a free thinking person who can lead a genuine fullness and freedom in the brief lives we have. They are victims of this backward religion though they certainly don't see themselves as such. They can't debate their beliefs or logically defend them so they'll insult the infidels, threaten them, harass them, or murder them.

Would you ever want to be in the position of defending Islam? That's the position the poor Margots of the world find themselves. It is a form of institutionalized insanity and, yes, it must be stopped. Luckily, there are also some Hirsi Alis.

Cheers!