Breaking: Appeals court upholds ruling blocking Trump's immigration order

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it's a duty of Congress then why didn't the Congress Act ??


    https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110328-what-happened-american-declaration-war
     
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    The question is, will they get away with it? I would say of course they will.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, they refused to go on record with votes either way.
     
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    Little minds do have a tendency to laugh when faced with fear, founded or unfounded.

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    The right polishes and the left eats them up, a never ending loop.
     
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    Just a delusion, most voters have no clue of what they do, their so called vote is but for what they deem the lesser of the evils.

    Supposed, a word with no meaning.
     
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    So to hell with the law and the constitution
     
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    From the JCS report to the White House, Sept, 2002
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/iraq-war-wmds-donald-rumsfeld-new-report-213530
    It was not the intelligence that was wrong. What was wrong was that Rumsfeld/Cheney/Bush selectively publicized those portions of intelligence reports that supported their case for invading Iraq and ignored/diminished those portions that did not. Much of the information that Rumsfeld/Cheney/Bush relied on came from Chalabi.

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-c...t-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion
    http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/senateiraqreport.pdf
    Jump to page 14 to read one of the conclusions.
     
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    I have admitted no such thing. I don't think the EO was what most Americans wanted, I think it was poorly crafted and incompetently implemented. I was not surprised that a temporary restraining order was placed on it or that the 9th ruled to keep the TRO. Trump has the ability to impose immigration and refugee restrictions, as long as he does it the right way.

    Do you admit that even though this EO was poorly written and incompetently implemented, and legally found to have some Constitutional problems, you want it enacted because of your partisanship?

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    Let's turn that around. Were you there personally to know that what I said is not so? I think not, just another assumption of one the believes reality is based on what they want to be true. Right?

    This partisanship bickering over legal matters is what is driving our country into more and more divisive stances. It's not good for the country. The President needs to take steps to heal the divisiveness in this country. Would you agree?
     
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    Well you would be 50% right, doubt you would understand which!!!
     
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    If you have information from "more reliable sources" then please publish it.
     
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    Source?
     
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    Like I dont know a law is not necessarily constitutional
     
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    Be prepared for a RWNJ citation.

    One that is seriously and grossly mischaracterized and a heaping pile of dung.
     
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    Every doctor has to save as many lives as possible, if that means checking everyone for 'disease' then they should be prepared to do it. if you were to interview the people at the airports, then they could tell their side of it, as the people responsible for these rules and security measures.

    If a kouga breaks out in fire, there is a recall. if there is an arab spring, it shows the attitude of the region, yes? rebellion. this is what happens in the cities, as, the people there want to feel like they are in control and 'a part of the machine.'

    If they were to use a mood heat sensor, they could look for problems and then take them for interrogation, with more heat sensors, but, this is not a hundred percent effective. so, they need to observe that most of these identities are fake, yes? this is for the terrorists, of course. if they were to quickly scan their identities and get a picture of the original identity documents, then they could catch more of them.

    These are probably the only measures president trump would accept, yes? if he accepts even this...
     
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    [h=3]Does the Supreme Court Overturn 80 Percent of Ninth Circuit Court Decisions?[/h]www.snopes.com/

    [h=2]Some confusing wording suggested the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals' decisions almost never "stick."[/h]
    "The blog linked to a 2010 American Bar Association paper which opened by pointing out two common erroneous beliefs about Supreme Court reversals in general:

    When the subject of Supreme Court reversal rates arises, two common perceptions usually come to mind. First, the Ninth Circuit is the “rogue circuit.” Second, the Supreme Court only takes cases that it intends to reverse. An empirical study of Supreme Court dispositions of cases from the courts of appeals during the last 10 Terms reveals that neither of these common perceptions is true.


    Each year the federal courts of appeals collectively terminate an average of 60,467 cases. However, the Supreme Court only reviews an average of 64 cases per year, which is about 0.106% of all decisions by the federal courts of appeals.


    So, although correctly worded, the blog post left many readers with the mistaken impression that 80 percent of the Ninth Circuit Court’s decisions were being overturned by SCOTUS. What it actually said was that of the very tiny fraction of decisions by federal courts of appeal that SCOTUS agrees to review each year (0.1%), 80 percent of that small portion of appeals originating with the Ninth Circuit Court were overturned.


    With respect to how the Ninth Court came to be described as a “rogue court,” the paper referenced above maintained:
    So how did the Ninth Circuit get the reputation for being the “rogue circuit”? Well, “figures don’t lie, but liars figure.” One measure of a circuit’s success “is the extent to which its decisions have been reviewed and reversed or vacated by the Supreme Court.”


    Reversal rates for each court of appeals would be very small, in the range of a tenth of a percent, if calculated as the total number of cases reversed over the total number of appeals terminated by that court...."

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    "In short, social media claims that 80 percent of cases decided by the Ninth Circuit were overturned were flat out false; more than 99 percent of that circuit’s decisions stood and the Supreme Court reviewed a scant 0.106 percent of circuit court cases each year."
     
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    Here's something from that "heaping pile of dung", Snopes!

    "Eighty percent of decisions by the Ninth Circuit were overturned when escalated to the Supreme Court"
    ,

    Let's hear you whine over and dismiss Snopes now. Should be easy now that you've used them to cherry pick your defense for you.
     
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    "But, but, but don't you know that snopes is fakenews?"

    -Trump supporters who think everything that discounts their opinions comes from a leftist conspiracy
     
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    Not right at all. You made an allegation that was challenged. It is upon you to prove your allegation, if you can. Otherwise no one is obligated to even attempt to prove a negative. That said it seems pretty obvious that your acquisition is entirely false.

    I agree not at all. I also think that what is good for the country is way beyond the comprehension of a large majority of the ignorant masses. I am just entertaining myself waiting for the inevitable. The only question I have: Is Trump the phoenix or just another false prophet?
     
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    At least our traitors don't wear carpet remnants on top of their heads.... :roflol:
     
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    Doubt erased, confirmed by the answer, should have stopped with the "I don't know".
     
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    Hello? Hello? Is anybody there?


    Did someone come in and contradict what leftist heroes Snopes said about the Ninth Circuit being overturned by the Supreme Court at a rate of eighty percent!

    Oh....I guess not. I predict this latest ideologically driven gaffe by the Ninth Circuit will become nullified also once again when the Supremes review the awful
    decision. The odds are in my favor....by eighty percent.
     
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    What will they do when Trump issues another EO that is not to their satisfaction?
     
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    Well, unlike you, I have a life and better things to do than hang around an internet forum all night. Admit it, you were horribly wrong. Abe Lincoln did, in fact, issue an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. After that we can move on.

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    Throw their hands up in the air and cry. Trump will keep throwing out EO's at them, forcing them to abide by them or unviel to the world, how politically motivated their rulings are! Again, I'm astounded that activist judges over-rode our President during a time of war! They may as well as move into the White House!
     
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    Other circuits have high overturn rates too, buddy. It's because there's usually a friggin' reason that a case goes all the way to the SCOTUS, AND because SCOTUS chooses the cases that it takes on.
     

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