Poll: most people who voted in 2016 want to abolish the Electoral College

Our Constitution is the beez kneez. Our electoral college will never go away, it only can be changed at the state level of how to portion out representatives. I think California should start by going purely democratic itself, that way we republicans in the state get their due representation

I hope you French get your heads on straight, like we did, and elect Marine Le Pen.

 

NO- not "nuff said".
The purpose of the electoral college was to insure a balance between states as well as people. Sound original plan that has been the standard since day one. There are two classes of belief that object- those that don't understand it's purpose, and those who thing they would have won if it didn't exist.

Research the history and origin.

 

I doubt that. History of political parties, from the Internet:

WikiP - History & Early Political Parties - excerpt:

They have been around for quite a while. I don't see the US getting rid of them any time soon.

Changing the "system" however is possible. Not probable, but given the disapproval of the electorate that you indicate, maybe its "Mission Possible"?

The outcome of Donald Dork in two/three years will tell. That is, either we Yanks swallow the Replicant-dork hook-line-and-sinker or he goes out in a wave-of-regret after one term.

Time will tell ...

 

RUBBISH

I don't think you understand the basic underpinnings of a democracy. It is that the national majority rules on national matters, and state majority rules on local state matters.

And voting in America should support that rule. The founders were protecting their own Vested Interests. Those interests are now more than two centuries old.

A nation moves on, so should its people. We are not the USA of 1789. We are the USA of 2017 - and we, as a people, should know what is best for us. We must also get off our duffs and express that preference at elections. Otherwise, what happened last November 8th will happen again, and again, and again.

The Electoral College is an archaic electoral mechanism. It should be rubbished ...

 

Not if you can't debate the issues and you can't. You keep repeating yourself when it makes no sense.

 

Not only that, but its intent was also to contend with a very large population of colonists who could not read or write. The "founding fathers", having seen what happened in France when the rabble rose-up against the French king, feared the same might happen in the US.

So, they thought that "intelligent people" should be reporting the results from individual states. It was simply a "reporting mechanism" for national elections. It is now very largely outdated and should be annulled.

Moreover, see this as well: The real reason we have an Electoral College: to protect slave states - excerpt:

True enough, the imbalance between large and small states is compensated by the fact that the Senate is perfectly uniform in state representation. And nowadays, finally, the ex-slaves are allowed to vote! But it took a Civil War to make that happen!

The above makes historical sense. The slave-states were very worried that the constitution might be used to "liberate their primary source of low-cost manpower". And it was finally both a Civil War and agricultural mechanization (that occurred in the latter half of the 19th century that replaced slave-labor in the south.

 

We are not a democracy, we are a republic where everyone gets a voice, not just the majority. They set it up that way to keep from doing what you want done.

 

Which means most people don't know what they are talking about.

 

Actually the losers are the one that want to abolish the EC. OTOH it simply is not logical for about 5 of the most populated states to dictate to the rest of the states who the president should be. That of course is why we have a Senate and an House too.

 

See, no one will take you as a serious poster on this or any subject as long as you name call. Your mentallity leads me to beleive you never read up on this nations history or why we have a republic vice a democracy. A lot of wisdom went into the architecture of this nation's governing documents which consisted of compromise. To change it is to completly destroy this nation as we know it and ignore the fact that it was this nation's founding principles that gave the US the greatest economic success and largest middle class in the World.

 

Well, as with the Presidential election, that would not be up to a popular vote. It would require 3/4 of the state legislatures to approve it.

 

Pass an amendment.
Until then, the EC stays.

 

Shouldn't your thread title be, "Clinton supporters want EC abolished" . Sour grapes, nothing more.

 

Trump wants to abolish the EC

 

Then you should also abolish the 'super delegate', designed to ensure the DNC favored candidate will be the nominee, disregarding the popular vote.

 

Sorry OP, We The People do not want to be ruled by New York and LA.

 

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2,868,000 votes
Hillary Clinton won CA by 4,270,000 votes
Thus...
Hillary Clinton -lost- the other 49 states and DC by 1,402,000 votes

Know that this means?

Nothing, other than the EC worked as intended.

 

Are 10 yr olds allowed to post with the grown ups here?

 

Most on the left do not know that we are not a democracy but a republic. Democracies have historically failed time and again because of the tyrany of the majority. The founders were wise and so gave us a republic based on democracy. We have a voice through our Congressional representatives. But it is well crafted to avoid the historical failures of other pure democracies.

 

The libs know no bounds when it comes to hypocrisy, it's actually their defining characteristic.

 

Ask yourself ... !

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Piffle & Drivel, Drivel & Piffle ...

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Gotta start somewhere ...

 

Not to change the proportions allocated by state. The Supremes could come down against the inherent bias of vote-proportionality. Then the mechanism becomes a useless formality ... which it should be.

Only the Popular-Vote in a true democracy should elect the Executive ...

 

I had a year of Civics Class back in time when they taught the subject in High School. Can't imagine, by the posts in this forum, what has happened since.

Whatever, the fact that a Popular Vote does not win the presidency is a major debility for any functional democracy on earth ...

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Yeah, but you do!

Typical of the idiot mindset of some on this forum ...

 

A great many on this forum, yes, when they insist that proportionality of the Electoral College is just and correct:
*Why the Electoral College is the absolute worst, explained

*WHAT IF ELECTORAL VOTES WERE AWARDED PROPORTIONALLY? -excerpt:

*LA Times: Op-Ed - How to cure the electoral college - excerpt:

*Reform Options for the Electoral College

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Borrrrinnnngggg ...

 

The states have plenary power to allocate their electors in any way they desire; the only constitutional restriction on this is found in the 14th Amendment, and that only applies if there is an election for same.. A state can forego an election and choose its electors, individually or in toto, by coin flip; any challenge heard by the SCotUS will be upheld.

The US is not a democracy.

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Seems to work OK for the UK, Germany, Canada, Australia, Japan...