Shame on Japan

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  1. Sallyally

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    Aren't we nice?
     
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    The US as it is now didn't beat them.
     
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    Japan is one of the better people actually when it comes to prejudices and problems. I mean, don't get me wrong, the average Japanese person is much more "racist" than the average American. Then again, everyone is now days. I travel a lot internationally, America is known as a bunch of PC wimps by a lot of the world now days.
     
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    If there is a species that is too numerous, I suggest we look in the mirror.
     
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    I'd like to try it.. That deep red meat looks really good too..
     
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    Actually, we are still part of natural selection. Our species went the path of universal adaptation, spread across all globe - then started creating shelters and using instruments... ...and then simly went further, than any other known species on the globe. Does not means, that we are the most numerous, or most well adapted, or that we can't go extinct.

    Common crows are more on planet, than humans - they can migrate faster and further than we do, they use our environment to live in as well as any other, even use some of our instruments for their own needs. They better than us survive cold and heat, can eat things that our digestion won't accept and less prone to various sicknesses, like we are.

    Besides, I remind you, that we also have anomalyous activities, such as deliberately saving other species. Do not say we are goly successful in it - I say no other animal does that kind of thing.
     
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    Good luck defending humans impact on the planet. That's all you.
     
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    I assume, that was intended as an insult. I also assume, I deserve better, than spending hour or so of my time - instead of having a bloody breakfast already - on explaining why we are still as vulnerable as any other species, reminding that we came EXACTLY from that same nature that other species did, that it is generally fantastic, that we take responsibility for our impact on planet at all, and even having some successes with reducing that said impact, and so on, et cetera.

    I am from Russia, and therefore - I am fυcking tired from people antagonising me at 98% of my time on the internet. I am a jew, a moskal, a pedophile, a polygamist, a negro, a white supremacist, a vatnic, a whore, a muslim, a zoophile, a ukrainian, a corporate, a paid troll, an unpaid naive idiot, a liberal, a militarist, a queer, a fat, a alcoholic, a vegan, a feminist, a fan, a hater, a phile and a phobe. All depending on whom I adress. Have you ANY idea how irritating that is? Can you, HUMANS, stop antagonising each other - and perticularily ME - for one fυcking minutes? And just normally TALK to each other?
     
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    We all love you Ninian, chill babe.
     
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    Apropos horses, I think a similar fate awaits race horses that don't measure up. It's sad that animals are disposable.
     
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    Australia for example is afraid of upsetting a trading partner.
     
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    I agree. The tone of replies the words seems a high percentage of poters on this site are abusive. The problem with that is they unlikely know it.

    More importantly is the OP initial post. The world authorities ruled against Japan harvesting whales but they ignore the ruling. No diffetent to China occupying the islands of the SCS.

    When there is no enforcement of law...there is no law.
     
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    Wasn't an insult, just commentary.

    Humanity has done more harm than good to the planet IMO since we started using those big brains of ours to settle and expand, and to destroy obstacles In our path.

    It is what it is.

    I try not to be confrontational when possible, this is a discussion forum, not an insult forum.

    My only point was that I think we have done more damage than good in modifying the environment to suit us.

    Positive back and forth discussion is preferred over back and forth insults so I apologize if it came across as a negative directed at you personally.
     
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    Well explained. Yes we have cleared everything in our path. The last whale in sight will be a sad day.
     
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    Honestly, I'm really tired of the name calling. Labeling, partisan and insulting attitudes of late. Almost makes me want to quit participating all together. Until that day comes I will just try and ignore the agreessive comments and find common ground with the "normal" posters. With that said I admit that I'm guilty of the same at times, its too easy to get caught up in the moment.
     
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    I'd shed no tears for whalers or Greenpeace activists if they were to all sink to the bottom of the sea.
     
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    I think you have gone a bridge too far in your honorable opposition to Japanese whaling.

    To claim that Japan's prejudices and whaling excesses today are a reflection of US influence in the 1950s is foolish and ahistorical. Japan didn't start whaling in the 1950s... they have one of the longest history of whaling, dating back 1000 years, and their prejudices certainly date back well before US occupation... hell, you think US prejudices of the 20th Century were bad? Look at just how the Japanese treated their pacific neighbors during their occupation in WWII.

    If anything the US has had a POSITIVE influence on Japan in both aspects.
     
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    Yes shameful, taking a global resource into exhaustion without regards of global efforts for preservation.
     
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    Uhm, there's a huge difference between Japanese whaling and Chinese occupation of islands in the SCS.

    First of all, Japan is abiding the laws set by the IWC. They don't HAVE to, they could take the Norwegian or Icelandic route, and just go "screw you guys, we'll do commercial whaling in your face no matter how much you dislike it". They're using a loophole with the whole "scientific research", but they're still following the rules set by the immensely anti-whaling IWC, which, I need to repeat, they do not have to follow.

    Chinese occupation of islands in the SCS is way more confrontational, as they're basically expanding their own economic zone into areas that were previously under control of other South East Asian nations. Their policy has direct, negative consequences for other nations. Japanese whaling is so limited, and generally only for the most abundant species of whales, so it does not cause any harm to other nations, or the ecosystem as a whole, other than a whole bunch of hurt anglo saxon feelings.

    Of course, there's the International convention for the regulation of whaling, from 1948. We've pulled out of it twice, Japan once. And they might at any time pull out of it again. Because as with most international laws, they do not have to follow it, if the public in Japan does not support it.

    And sure, I get it, if Japan did 1960s style whaling, harpooning anything with a blowhole, and generally being a true danger to the conservation of endangered whale species, the international community does have a reason, and an obligation to react to their practices. But that's not the case. They're taking minke whales. One of the most abundant specie of whale, and in such low numbers it doesn't impact their conservation status at all.

    The hostility towards Japanese whaling all has it grounds in values of primarily Anglo countries (generally speaking, I know you're not all alike, and neither are we), not conservation, or environment, or science. It's a cultural thing in Anglo countries to see whales as something more than mere beasts, which is why most of the opposition to whaling comes from Australia, the US, and Britain. Most other countries don't really care.
     

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