The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales

The Bible contains a lot of things other than Fairy Tales. (I would call them Myths). In addition It has Law, History, Poetry, Ethical teachings, Predictions of the future, and probably several other types of literature not mentioned by me.

 

What is a historical record you support???Something you wish to believe?

 

You completely ignore the fact about the thief on the cross. Have been a Christian for over 35 years and have never heard the term "sola fide". Sounds like a denominational term used to promote division in the body. Sounds like something you could start a whole new religion on. Do you ignore what the Apostle John says about Christ indwelling within us? Your 80% quote sounds like a research performed to divide the Body of Christ. It is faith that motivates us to do good works and that faith comes from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Those works are the works that "glorify God". Those are the only ones that matter. Without faith....works are dead! There is absolutely no division between Paul, James John or Peter. It is the same Spirit that motivated them in all their writings. There is no division in the Body. The Body extends through most denominations.
If, as you say, "salvation is a function of works", then many will say, "I do good works, I am a good person, why do I need Jesus?" Is that what you say? One least bit of sin robs you of salvation without faith in Jesus. Are you sinless?

Faith without works is dead....true. But out of faith automatically comes many good works! Works without faith is as Paul said....counted as dung. Paul and James have the same Spirit and the same understanding. We don't need any more denominations!

 

By the way....did you ever meditate on one of the most read sayings of Jesus?? John 3:16? At least your 80% of Christians know this one.
"God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever would believe (doesn't say perform good works) on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

 

I have been a Christian for a lot longer than that but, it matters not. "Sola Fide" means "Faith Alone" it is the major doctrinal difference between Protestantism and other forms of Christianity such as Catholic an Orthodox.

It is not uncommon for Christians to not know much about the dogma in which they believe. In this case - it is a rather important thing as it distinguishes between the different salvation formulations within Christianity.

Which version of he "Thief on the Cross" story are you referring to and what is your point ?

The body of Christ is already divided over the "Faith Alone" doctrine ... why are you blaming me for pointing out this fact ?
What part of 80% of Christianity does not accept that "Faith Alone" will save them .. are you not comprehending ?

The question is not what I think. The Question is what did Jesus think. It is not me that said faith in Jesus is not required for salvation ... it is what Jesus and James said. Nor does Jesus require perfection - Matt 5 and further, have you never heard of the concept of forgiveness ?

What Paul said is not what is being discussed. The question is what did James say. Saying "well Paul said this" does not change what James said. You can say - well this is contradiction - and you would be right. This and other teachings of Jesus which contradict Pauline dogma is the reason why the majority of Christianity does not accept the "faith alone" salvation formulation.

You keep trying to avoid and/or deny scripture. James says "What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?"

His answer to the question he poses is an unequivocal NO. "You foolish people - do you want evidence that faith without works is useless - do you not understand in the context of the question.

What do you think James's point is by saying "even Demons believe" ... ?? if not to show how just having faith is useless.

James gives and example of a Prostitute who was put right with God through works. This woman obviously had no faith in Jesus ... nor did she worship YHWH.

Clearly - you have bought into some spoon fed dogma without doing much questioning... and that is fine. I would call this a belief that is built on sand... as per Matt 7. If you were to just blindly believe every man made piece of religious dogma ... then why did God give you a brain ?

 

Yes, facts and reality tend to do that.

 

Something that has independent evidence to support it.

 

Did you seriously think I have not considered this passage ... or the 80% of Christianity that does not accept Sola Fide on the basis of this passage ?

1) The first thing to consider is that your interpretation of this passage conflicts with the Jesus of Mark and Matt.

The second thing to consider is that what ever your interpretation of this "ONE" sentence is - this does not change what Jesus said in other places. Your "one sentence" is up against a whole sermon (Matt 5-7) ..a sermon ..the point of which is to state how one get's through the pearly gates.

3) This sentence could be easily taken to mean "believe in the teachings of Jesus". The Jesus of John is the "Logos" - mistranslated in modern Bibles as "The Word". While the term "logos" means word. When used in a religious context the term logos meant - emissary between man and God.

The author of John was trying to make Christianity more appealing by using terms in which the Greek speaking people of that day were familiar.

Jesus was "The Logos" and spoke the word of God via the spirit of God. Belief in Jesus is then belief in the word of God.

Consider John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

No belief in Jesus is required .. just belief in the teachings of Jesus and belief in God as per this passage.

 

Can any of you prove the Bible is the true word of a god unless you can and can't get passed the lack of evidence for major events we should have plenty of evidence for and the moral flaws of the book I don't see the point of considering this book anything but fictional.

One example if even 500,000 Hebrews left Egypt on the route that is suggested to walk to Canaan where its on the maps would take at most a week of slow walking and it would have been along significant trade routes so how the hell did they get lost in the wilderness for forty years. If it was me and my family I would walk off following any caravan going from Egypt to Canaan and there you go. Its a stupid and unrealistic story.

 

Your spoon fed dogma cost thousands of Christians their lives. The prostitute James spoke of, Rehab, was put right because she had faith..... her works came out of that. The "Hebrews" Hall of Fame is all about being justified through faith. Abraham was justified by faith. Sure demons believe....but do they know of the redemptive value of the cross? That is what we believe in....not works. Guess you had Catechism . I did not. All I have had is the Word. I was apprehensive about "religion from the beginning. Seems you have embraced it. I questioned from the beginning. I was not baptized as a child. I was baptized because I wanted to make a public profession of my faith. That work did not save me but what I believe to this day did! I do my share of good works but I don't need to brag about it or hold them up to God. He does them through me. He gets the glory. There are many many cults that profess salvation through works.....not Jesus. Ever look into Scientology??

 

Food for thought- monks shut themselves away in monasteries all their lives and do no "works" in the material sense, what do forum members think of that?

 

RE: The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales
※→ yabberefugee, rahl, et al,

I know a great number of people think this; but it is not true. I know some fundamentalist that believe every world was inspired by their Deity (God of Abraham); but there is no real evidence of that.

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There are many references to the past history as past down over time.

The Bible is a collection of Oral Traditional teachings passed on to each successive generation in a time before the gospels were composed. We are not even sure who assembled these Oral Traditional teachings; but it is commonly believed that first five books of the Bible come from as far back as story of Moses. The first five books - the Pentateuch (meaning 5 books) - the Torah (AKA: The Old Testament) the originals keeps of the fundamental scrolls. This is sometime confused with the Septuagint; the Greek translation of the from the Hebrew. It is said that much of the Pentateuch seems to correspond with that archived within the recovered Dead Sea Scrolls; with historians and archeologist periodically claiming to have evidence that supports the historical timeline and the divine authorship. Some scholars say that the Pentateuch took more than 15 Centuries to assemble. In contrast, the New Testament consists of 27 Books (depending of which school you went to) and took about 5 of 6 decades to assemble (somewhere between 30 AD to 95 AD). While the Pentateuch was transcribed in Hebrew and translated into Greek, the New Testament was assembled in Greek. After some extensive political wrangling, the New Testament was adopted and canonized during the Third Council of Carthage (AKA: Synods of Carthage).

The Bible is not perfect. There are a number of discrepancies noted in the Bible that are inaccurate by centuries; by archeological record and the historical evnts records in stone by the Egyptians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Jesus' daddy was Yahweh, the god of the armies and the commander in charge of genocides against Gentiles.

 

And your point? You seem to be admitting that he existed.

 

RE: The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales
※→ The Wyrd of Gawd, et al,

This is one of those special God Powers.

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This is typically known as the "Trinity." (Father, Son, Holy Ghost → All-in-One) It is a combination of Omnipotent and Omnipresence. When you are the Supreme Being with all the Supernatural Powers, you can be in more than one place, and a composite being in any timeline, on any coordinate, in any shape or form.

A Supreme Being defines what is ethical, right and wrong. Genocide may not be wrong. The SB may destroy anything it creates.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

That sounds good but was the New Testament written in the Ionian, Athenian, Corinthian, Argos, Cretean, Euboean, or Modern Greek alphabet?

And when did the Bible lose the Aprocrypha?

 

We agree in point. I just don't believe Jesus would be the only path to some promised land if there is one. Many cultures have some version.

As for the ark and flood. More likely local accounts of local floods.
And there was no more or less evil then, than before or now.
And even is true, God knew this before he created the world, no need to punish and kill for something that was already known to happen.

 

The Lone Ranger rode a white stallion named "Silver" and his sidekick Tonto rode a pinto named "Scout". When they took off on a gallop did the Lone Ranger yell "Gettem up Silver" and did Tonto yell "Hi-yo Scout, away"?

We are discussing an ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale. I've said countless times that it's BS. You are the one who claims that it's true so you should be able to give reasons why it is true. I'm asking questions to see if you know anything about your favorite religious fairy tale. Consider it an interview process. If you pass then you can get into the gaudy bejeweled golden cube called New Jerusalem. If you fail you will get tossed into the lake of fire.

Do you want to continue the interview?

 

Also, how was everything written about Jesus' trial, when no one was there but Pilate and the High Priests.
Where is there written record of the account. I'd assume trials had records kept.
Yet the gospels have many accounts and very good details of the trial.

 

How is anti christian a conspiracy theory? 2/3 of the world don't believe the story and have nothing to do with any conspiracy.

 

RE: The Bible is a Book of Fairy Tales
※→ The Wyrd of Gawd,, rahl, et al,

Not correct.

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The New Testament was translated and disseminated into other languages, only after canonization.

The Aprocrypha (Old Testament material) is not attributable to a specific source. At least Parts of the Aprocrypha appear in the Keys of Solomon (Ars Notoria), but not all of it. Some Christian denominations included it in their Bible Teachings, others did not adopt it. It was not part of the text canonized in Carthage because it was "Old Testament" material. In the Bibles history, you will find all kinds of variants like that.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Since the biblical stories are based on the Ten Commandments in Exodus 34:12-26 the flood story is simply a war story that's based upon the First Commandment (Exodus 34:12-16). Even the Bible verbiage says that the flood story (with water) is BS because the countries named in it existed when Adam & Eve were running aound naked and they existed after the flood. The flood was most likely about the Egyptian invasion of the area all the way pass the Tigris River http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/02/106602-004-8C9D782A.gif

 

It is asserted that Christianity is a hoax. A single person could not commit a "hoax" that swept Asia Minor, North Africa, Europe, and the British Isles in a couple hundred years from the death of Christ, and all before the invention of the crudest printing press. 1 + 1 hoaxster = conspiracy.

I don't believe it was or is a hoax, though obviously it's international and immediate appeal could be based on delusion or error.

 

There was absolutely no one named "Jesus" in ancient times because the name didn't exist at that time. His name might have been "Yeshua", "Yeshu", or "Yehoshua".

"Jesus Christ" didn't exist unti around 1630, when a couple of Dutch con men came up with the name.

 

The story is probably based on the time when the Egyptians lost their empire in the Levant. That left the Israelites without a sugar daddy.