President Trump's Speech on Afghanistan (tonight 9pm Eastern)

I'm suggesting we think about what will fill the vacuum on their border if we beat feet.

 

Because it's more of the same? Because its a broken campaign promise. Not only that, he actively criticized Obama for doing exactly the same.

We can't be forever embedded in every country in the entire world. Al-Qaeda, ISIS, terrorists in general, are not relegated to specific countries. Afghanistan was, is, and always will be a lost cause. There are reasons why it has never been called the Empire Killer, the terrain is just too difficult to hold without literally hundreds of thousands of troops. Its not going to happen.

 

I don't see where you think I'm "with Trump" on this. I'm for pulling troop out. He is not.

 

He made quite clear that that was his impression also until he learned more about it.

And like Trump, you are against nation building.



I have a serious question for you. Did you ever in you life learn something that caused you to change your mind?

 

What are the Taliban and ISIS non military solutions?

 

Of course. Then again, I'm not in a habit saying stupid things publicly until the facts are all in. I'm not sure that he didn't know better but rather, he say these things to get votes. Just like building the wall, and have Mexico paying for it.

 

So it's OK for you to learn something and cause it to change your mind, but it's not OK for the president to learn new things and change his mind?

Do you think candidates are infallible in their opinions?

 

When you are a public figure, you need to be versed in your knowledge before talking such nonsense. I'm not the one tweeting stupid things on Twitter. I'm not the one running for the POS. This is repeated again and again, starting with the birther issue, the "health care is complex" meme and with Mexico paying for the wall. Time will tell by what he will tweets on this matter and his upcoming rallies.

The should stick to domestic policies and not comment on national security matters, unless they have "inside" information.

 

Afghanistan is a hard call. It would have been better to pacify it rather than invade Iraq.

Obama did not improve things when he announced his troop reduction plan which told the Taliban to just wait. Things did not improve when military action wasput under the control of lawyers.

With a Mad Dog Maddis in the lead, things could turn around. He will fight to win and not worry about politicians wringing their hands in DC.

We fought to win in Kuwait and trained the South Koreans to defend their country.

 

Kuwait was a limited action. Bush sr. knew better than to invade Iraq.

As for Korea, our troops are still there, why is that?

Afghanistan, there is no "win". Eventually we will have to leave, then what?

 

This is a cute little rant and all, but it has nothing to do with what you are quoting.

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The should stick to domestic policies and not comment on national security matters, unless they have "inside" information.[/QUOTE]

So you would vote for someone that would give no outlines for foreign policy? I sure as hell wouldn't. I doubt many people would TBH.

 

So you would vote for someone that would give no outlines for foreign policy? I sure as hell wouldn't. I doubt many people would TBH.[/QUOTE]

It has better be stated with a caveat for sure. Trump seem so sure of himself criticizing Obama and now he have to eat crow.

 

He starting trying to make up for Charlottesville by mentioning the bi-racial military, patriotism, etc
This was a 'teleprompter' job/someone else's words.
Watch the real Trumpov at his "adulation" rally tomorrow.

Of course, as one general said on TV tonight, this is "Obama 2.0", just a small surge.
No policy change.

Further, Trumpov said both that we won't engage in "Nation building", but we can't leave a vacuum.
But uh - Pres Loony - whenever we leave there will be a power vacuum.
Taliban are a native resistance who even now re-occupy what we temporarily take.

Oh, and of course, the only card he had left to play to get support was the 'war' card. Expected.
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It'd be different if he didn't insult everyone who didn't agree with his prior views and act like nobody else was as brilliant as him.

 

His tone was really creepy tonight. Conservatives should be worried. Sounds like once again the Republican party is sending their kids into the meat grinder.

 

It is a waste of lives (and resources) to have a very limited military presence that is ill-equipped and too restricted administratively from doing the job it needs to do. Hopefully the new approach will turn that around.

But, yeah, deciding to make more of an effort there and not simply pulling out entirely does go against the way Dumbo was talking during the campaign. Now he is saying what his military advisers want, however. It's different being on the campaign trail and being in office.

 

I agree whole heartedly. I know it's not going to happen, but I would live to see campaigns be more about the candidate and less about attacking their opponent.


I often said during the campaign, I learned more about the candidates from their opponents than ijj ever learned from the candidates.

Trump was certainly one ofnthe worst attack dogs I've even seen, but at least he occasionally said something he was for. I honestly can't think of a single thing that Clinton advocated for during the campaign.

 

I doubt 1 in 10,000 people understand the significance of the potential of India becoming an ally in general and specifically in relation to the ME. Islam and Muslims are their ancient enemy for a thousand years. India, a nuclear weapons power with a billion people - and is just to the North and East - has real reasons to have great concern with the Islamic drive to build a new, world conquering Empire again - because India knows it will be a primary target of it.

Again, I doubt many understand the long, long history between India and Islam/Muslims.

IF Trump can convince INDIA, a nuclear power, to become an ally in a true sense? It is a total game changer not only in the region, but the world. Personally, given the choice between keeping NATO or an equal alliance with India instead, I would unquestionably pick India. India has reasons to hate Muslims and hate China. In the past, India tended to align with Russia - but only because we aligned with Muslim Pakistan (formerly part of India) and India HATES Pakistani Muslims.

This all is a big IF. But IF Trump can form a military alliance with India and in relation to Muslim terrorism and the ME? It would be one of the greatest achievements in USA foreign and military policy in our history.

An alliance with ONE BILLION WE-HATE-MUSLIMS Indians right next door to the trouble spots. Muslims murdered their grandparents and great grandparents. Stole their homes and land. Oppressed non-Muslim Indians for a thousand years. Endlessly Muslims engage in acts of terrorism in India to this day. India could send 250,000 troops into Afghanistan and not even miss them. Likely 10,000,000 Indians would volunteer to go kill Muslims if just given the chance.

 

Can't really fault him for listening to the military on military matters can you?

 

yep, same was true of Obama with Iraq... now the right finally gets it, Trump wants to kick this can to the next admin, no pulling out under Trump

fact is, just like I said with Iraq under Obama, whenever we pull out it gets ugly.... be it now or later - the only difference is the price in $$$ and blood of our soldiers sadly

 

I don't think you evcen listened to the speech if this is what you came out thinking.

 

nope, just Ironic that now that he is President he does the same as he criticized over and over Obama for

being an armchair President is much different then actually being President

 

Your anti Muslims rant just show your ignorance. You mean to tell me there are no Muslims in India??

 

You should probably leave the thinking to people who can spell the word "even".

 

I'm pretty isolationist so I'm really torn. I would love to just leave and let the chips fall where they fall. On the other hand, I have the common sense to know that if we do, we just further strengthen terrorists and open ourselves to another well thought out 9/11 scale attack.