Yes, Antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazi

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The WWP is also the parent organization of the ANSWER Coalition, which was the vanguard of the "anti-war", OccuTard, anti-police and now the anti-Trump "resistance"....

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    Same old socialist, Islamist and anarchist astroturf, new day.

    PS. You can find their yellow prefab signs at every ANSWERnik confab...
     
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    Antifa reminds me of ISIS...totally evil...
     
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    I could almost feel sorry for Libs---but alas, I DON'T. They are so ill-equipped to deal with life. Calling names backfired bigtime in the election and it is still a losing proposition, yet they just don't seem to learn from their failures....so sad.... here is some advice that maybe their mentality can absorb: I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say, bounces off me, and sticks to you.
     
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    Erm...when did I question their right to free speech exactly? Free speech is not immunity from criticism.
     
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    Uh huh.... and defending the KKK's right to free speech is not defending the KKK.
     
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    And whoever said you are a reasoned person, besides you?
    That in itself, is a special kind of stupid.
    So it's safe to say I don't like anything nazi,
    while you do.
    Let's just leave it at that.

    And since I have no meaningful dialog,
    then why do you keep replying?
    It would be my understanding that a critical thinking, reasoned person such as yourself would find someone more intellectual stimulating than myself to interact with.
    ;)
     
  9. TOG 6

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    Say she who reverts to an homs when he has nothing else to say.
     
  10. Space_Time

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    http://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/l-brent-bozell-truth-suffers-in-defense-of-antifa/

    L. Brent Bozell: Truth Suffers In Defense Of Antifa
    L. BRENT BOZELL and TIM GRAHAM9/06/2017
    For decades, liberal journalists have often tried to discredit conservative protest movements, from the tea party to the pro-lifers, by smearing them with violent extremists. So it's fascinating to read liberal Washington Post media columnist Margaret Sullivan warn on Sept. 4 against tarring the anti-Trump "resistance" with an antifa brush. The headline read "Quick to Vilify, But Slow to Explain It."

    Sullivan claimed that all most people know about antifa, the far-left-leaning militant groups, is what they've heard from President Trump and what they've guessed from video of "club-wielding protesters shown endlessly on TV." This leads them to think antifa members are "the left-wing equivalent of neo-Nazis." Sullivan said, "That's not only untrue, but it has the effect of tarring everyone who protests Trump, as well as those who peacefully march for climate-change awareness or rally against hate-mongering speakers."

    She complained that the term "antifa" has been "quickly weaponized" and quoted leftist writer Paul Blest to claim that antifa's level of violence is nearly nonexistent next to the extremist right. Blest said, "To pretend that the alt-right and Antifa are comparable is like equating the danger of playing Russian roulette with taking a walk."

    Try asking someone beaten half to death by antifa thugs whether it felt like a walk in the park.

    In Sullivan's mind, the so-called alt-right has faced an easy road. She bizarrely claimed that "a prettied-up celebrity status accrued to white-nationalist leader Richard Spencer, who was profiled everywhere with flattering photos and reasonable-sounding quotes." But she didn't provide a single example of a media outlet, liberal or conservative, flattering Spencer with "prettied-up celebrity status" ... because it didn't happen.

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    ABC's interviews of Spencer were described on-screen with words like "Hate Among Us" and "Confronting Hate." He openly talked about an approaching race war, which is not very "reasonable-sounding." Sullivan's own Washington Post described him with headlines like "Richard Spencer's Vision: Apartheid in America" and "Six Angry Men and Their Long Roads of Hate."

    Sullivan also relayed questionable numbers from the Anti-Defamation League, or ADL. She said: "Right-wing extremists committed 74% of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2%."

    Of course, most conservatives don't consider the Hitler-adoring National Socialist extremists to be right-wing. Worse yet, Sullivan was wrong to claim that the ADL only counted "politically motivated" murders. Its "Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2016" report explicitly stated that it counted all murders by the extremists it identified, including "non-ideological" murders in the midst of "gang-related and traditional criminal activity."

    Sullivan also stated, "Mainstream news organizations and liberal politicians are quick to criticize antifa — doing so vehemently has become a badge of honor — but less quick to explain the group's ideology, tactics or goals." To her chagrin, Democrats like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and the Washington Post editorial board are coming around to the idea of properly vilifying antifa as a violent fringe.

    Sullivan lamented that antifa theorist Mark Bray, a professor at Dartmouth College, was "publicly slapped back by his university president." She lectured reporters: "The best thing journalists can do is to relentlessly explain the beliefs, scope and scale of antifa, and to resist conflating it with liberal groups." NBC's Chuck Todd has already put Bray on air twice to promote antifa's explicit endorsement of violence. And NPR's talk show "1A" gave Bray an hourlong platform to explain it.

    Sullivan and Todd look especially odd because the liberal media have protested so harshly against President Trump denouncing journalists for fake news. Antifa thugs have repeatedly beaten or threatened journalists and regular citizens on the street who dare to capture them on tape. Why, then, must they not be "vilified"?

    Bozell is the president of the Media Research Center. Graham is director of media analysis at the Media Research Center and executive editor of the blog NewsBusters.org.
     
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    http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/We-are-all-antifa-12174947.php
    We are all antifa
    By Nina Farnia, Rachel Lederman and Meredith WallisSeptember 6, 2017 Updated: September 6, 2017 6:29am
    Hundreds of people attend a gathering in Berkeley on Aug. 27, in response to a planned right-wing rally that was canceled. Photo: Elijah Nouvelage, Getty Images Photo: Elijah Nouvelage, Getty Images Hundreds of people attend a gathering in Berkeley on Aug. 27, in response to a planned right-wing rally that was canceled.

    Last month, thousands gathered in San Francisco and Berkeley to defeat the hatred of fascism and white supremacy. A united front of labor, clergy, students, socialists, anarchists and others successfully prevented the fascists from holding their rallies.

    This is antifa — a broad movement of people who stand against the violence of white supremacists and fascists, violence emboldened by the ascendancy of Donald Trump to the presidency.

    Despite our victory, Berkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin called for antifa to be classified as a criminal gang. The lesson here is that we cannot depend on the government to meaningfully intervene and prevent the rise of fascism. That is up to us.

    The National Lawyers Guild, an organization of thousands of lawyers, law students and legal workers across the country, has supported free speech and assembly for all progressive and radical movements for 80 years. But The Chronicle’s coverage of the Aug. 27 rally would have you believe that it is the “alt-right” that seeks to protect speech. This couldn’t be further from the truth.

    Here are some examples of what the far right does when no one is filming:

    •Our volunteer attorneys, legal workers and clients have received death threats and their personal information publicized to promote harassment, as a result of our defense of antifa activists;

    •One attorney was stalked inside the courthouse by a man with a swastika tattoo and a shaved head wearing quasi-military-type attire. He then left, and shortly thereafter she received threatening messages and had to seek protection at a safe house;

    •A group of men wearing military-like attire, and one with a swastika tattoo, was seen waiting outside Santa Rita Jail for arrestees to be released;


    •National Lawyers Guild phone lines have been inundated with hate calls.

    But we are prepared to defend ourselves, and are implementing security plans to ensure the safety of our members, allies and partners. This is hatred and violence, not speech.

    As an antiracist organization, we refuse to support white supremacists. That does not mean that we oppose free speech.

    We believe far-right extremists have successfully twisted the right to free speech to cast themselves as victims of exactly what they strive to promote — hate and violence.

    The far right, however, is not the only problem. The government appears to be colluding with the far right to target antifa. Of six protesters held overnight in jail, only one has been charged with a crime — a woman with a service dog who was brutally pinned to the ground by police, allegedly for throwing an apple. Another was arrested for allegedly pulling their T-shirt over part of their face when photographed by fascists.

    This campaign to recast antifa as a violent, leftist suppression of speech is a dangerous effort eerily reminiscent of the left-baiting that accompanied the Nazi rise to power.

    The National Lawyers Guild won’t stand by as fascists and white supremacists seek to take power in the streets and halls of government. We stand in solidarity with all who fight hatred. We will continue to show up, to defend activists who challenge fascism, and we call on all people of conscience to do the same.

    Nina Farnia is the president of the National Lawyers Guild — San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. Rachel Lederman is chair of the Demonstrations Committee, National Lawyers Guild San Francisco Bay Area Chapter. Meredith Wallis is a member of the Demonstrations Committee.
     
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    https://hotair.com/archives/2017/09/09/antifa-militants-ready-break-bones-invade-homes/

    Antifa Militants Ready To Break Bones, Invade Homes
    JOHN SEXTONPosted at 8:31 pm on September 9, 2017

    Reveal published a story Tuesday titled “Antifa has a rapid response team that targets alt-right organizers.” The kind of targeting the article describes is not just keeping an eye out for people on the streets, this is more organized and specific behavior that results in a published hit list of right-wing targets. In this case, “hit list” is not a metaphor. This is the list of people Antifa members plan to hit and injure if they encounter them. Reveal reporter Will Carless spoke to one of the “most militant” members of the Bay Area Antifa, a guy called Dominic who sees himself as a “Nazi hunter.” Dominic is ready to take his street battle into his target’s homes if necessary:

    One antifa activist, who would give only the name “Dominic,” talked proudly in a series of interviews with Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting about forming this broader alliance of “Nazi hunters” to seek out, reveal and fight these enemies wherever they might show up. Their goal became even more specific after Charlottesville: to prevent more casualties like that of activist Heather Heyer.

    “We’ll go to their house, I’ll put it that way. We’ll go to their house,” said Dominic, an imposing, muscular man in his 30s. “I don’t want to hurt anybody, but I want those people to stop it. If I have to put Richard Spencer or Nathan Damigo into the hospital critically, and it would have saved Heather Heyer’s life or the next potential Heather Heyer, I would do it without question.”
    Dominic’s targets don’t have to be actual Nazis, white supremacists or extremists. As the story points out, sometimes anyone on the right will do:

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    At about 3 p.m., Dominic and his crew got word that a handful of people had been spotted by one of their lookouts holding a banner reading, “Love Free Speech, Unafraid of Fake News, Ask Me My Point of View.”…

    The handful of conservative protesters at Fisherman’s Wharf soon was surrounded by the black-clad group, who screamed at them, telling them to get out of town.

    “They were way more aggressive and intimidating than the protesters, to be honest,” said Mike Gaughan, a pedicab driver who witnessed the confrontation.
    In preparing for right-wing rallies scheduled to take place in San Francisco and Berkeley last month, Dominic and the other militants put together an 8-page handout on who might show up and added a one-page “Know Your Nazi” hit list with pictures of nine individuals including Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson. Gibson has denounced Nazis and white supremacists several times recently but he is on the list because some actual white supremacists have shown up at his previous events.

    You’ve probably seen the video of what happened when Gibson and two members of his group showed up in Berkeley (and if you haven’t read Matt Labash’s story on it, it’s here). If you wondered how so many of the Antifa members recognized him instantly, it’s because his photo was on the hit list:

    Gibson escaped the mob by slipping behind a line of police down the street. One of the people he was with, Keith Campbell, wasn’t so lucky. Campbell was hit in the head, collapsed on the ground and was then kicked by Antifa members. Asked about this response, Dominic tells Reveal, “What does he deserve? He deserves potentially stitches or broken bones.” He adds, “He wasn’t gonna get killed that day, we were strategic.”

    We could see more of this as soon as tomorrow. Joey Gibson’s Patriot Prayer group is scheduled to hold a rally in Portland and Rose City Antifa is expected to counter-protest.
     
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    You watch the bed-******** if these AntifAssHats enter the wrong home.
     
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    It'll be a new Treyvon Martin case. The rightful defendant will be charged, even though he never committed a crime and MSN and others will continue to recklessly fan the flames.
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/antifa-leader-explains-violent-movement-163103969.html

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    Antifa Leader Explains Violent Movement: Nazis Shouldn’t Feel Safe In Public
    Newsweek Greg Price,Newsweek 7 hours ago
    Violence is not only necessary but justified when standing up to Nazi groups, a leader of the antifa, or anti-fascist, movement said this week.

    Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Washington-based Smash Racism D.C., said that physical violence is an important tool in fighting a political ideology that is rooted in a violence and murder.

    “The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,” Isaacson told The Hill Thursday, hours before a conservative activist was scheduled to speak at the University of California, Berkeley.

    Isaacson also said Nazis, such as the white supremacist groups that marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, last month, should not be able to hide behind the First Amendment because they aren’t seeking free expression but violent oppression instead.

    “There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” he said. “Someone who is intent on politically organizing for the sake of creating a state-sponsored genocide—I don’t think is something that we should protect.”

    Following Charlottesville, some antifa activists justified their members’ violence against white supremacist and nationalist groups by accusing Charlottesville police of not stepping in sooner to curtail the Nazis’ hate speech.

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    Isaacson’s comments also run counter to the tacit endorsement of Nazi free speech rights from President Donald Trump following the violence in Charlottesville, which led to the death of a peaceful protester.

    “You had some very bad people in that group [of neo-Nazis],” the president said days after the rally. “But you also had people that were very fine people.”

    Isaacson was speaking on the eve of a Thursday night speech at Berkeley by conservative writer and pundit Ben Shapiro. Local police and security officers at the campus were ramping up security to avoid violence, which has occurred before appearances by other conservative speakers, such as former Breitbart News writer Milo Yiannopoulos. In February, protesters set fires and smashed windows, and Yiannopoulos’s speech was canceled.

    The Yiannopoulos protest and three other violent rallies have cost East Bay police departments $1.5 million this year, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

    No counterprotest has been planned for Shapiro’s appearance, according to Meleiza Figueroa, a prominent former Occupy Wall Street protester and Berkeley doctoral student.

    Still, Berkeley’s mayor said it was time to categorize antifa as a “gang,” following an August 28 gathering of roughly 100 black-clad anarchists and antifa members among 2,000 peaceful protesters at a “Rally Against Hate” march at the city’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.
     
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    The Democrat party is in "collusion" with Antifa.
     
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    Apparently, somebody forgot to tell the Democrats.
     
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    Local

    Antifa: Guardians against fascism or lawless thrill-seekers?

    By Michael E. Miller
    September 14, 2017 at 11:35 PM


    Self-described antifa activists John Cookenboo, left, and Vincent Yochelson in Oakland, Calif. (Nick Otto/For The Washington Post)
    BERKELEY, Calif. — On the morning of the protest, Sean Hines woke with a sense of purpose he'd seldom felt. He was a 20-year-old high school dropout with no car, no job and no money. A year and a half ago, he'd been arrested for a drunken brawl. Now Hines was about to be arrested again, but for something he believed in.

    In his Santa Rosa halfway house, Hines dressed in all black. He chugged an energy drink, popped some nicotine gum and climbed into a friend's car that blasted German punk rock as it barreled toward Berkeley.

    "Alerta, alerta, anti-fascista!" the chorus shrieked.

    It was a call to arms for militant anti-fascists, or "antifa" — and Hines was heeding it.

    But the Aug. 27 protest in Berkeley did not go according to plan. Police quickly arrested Hines and 12 others. Then, in images broadcast across the country, more than 100 antifa activists leapt over barricades and stormed Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park, attacking a handful of President Trump supporters and right-wing activists.


    Left-wing counterprotesters clashed with right-wing protesters and Trump supporters on Aug. 27 in Berkeley, Calif. Violence erupted when a small group of masked antifa and anarchists attacked right-wing demonstrators. (The Washington Post)
    A month earlier, few Americans had heard of antifa. Then came Charlottesville, where antifa activists were credited with protecting clergy members from attacks by white supremacists.

    The violence in Berkeley led to a backlash, including from the left. The city's mayor, a Democrat, called for antifa to be classified as a gang and for the University of California at Berkeley to cancel conservative speeches later this month to avoid more violence.

    Related: [Black-clad antifa members attack right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley]

    In Washington, where antifa smashed storefronts and torched a limousine on Inauguration Day, authorities fear the far-left activists will strike again Saturday, when the Mall will host the "Juggalo March" — a gathering of fans of the rap group Insane Clown Posse — and a pro-Trump event dubbed the Mother of All Rallies.

    If Trump's election has emboldened the far right, then it has also energized its enemies.


    Hidden behind masks, however, antifa activists remain mysterious. Are they everyday citizens guarding against the rise of a Fourth Reich? Or are they, as Trump has claimed, merely the "alt-left" — a lawless mirror image of the white supremacists they oppose?

    On Thursday, Trump claimed recent antifa antics had justified his much-criticized response to Charlottesville, in which he blamed the violence on "both sides."

    "I think, especially in light of the advent of antifa, if you look at what's going on there, you have some pretty bad dudes on the other side also, and essentially that's what I said," he told reporters Thursday.

    Interviews with a dozen antifa activists show they come from a variety of backgrounds and are only loosely affiliated. Some, like Hines, are youths in search of a cause. Others have been demonstrating for decades. Many are anarchists, although some vote. They employ a range of peaceful tactics, including doxing, or exposing, white supremacists. While they are all open to using violence, some embrace it — even glorify it.

    What unites them is the belief that free speech is secondary to squashing fascism before it takes root in the United States.

    "If everyone is punching a Nazi, it's eventually going to create a mass militant movement based around anti-fascist," Hines said. "That hopefully will be enough to stop them from gaining power."

    'We're each other's enemy'


    Sean Hines, member of Antifa in Northern California. (Nick Otto/For The Washington Post)
    Among the scores of antifa who stormed the park that day in California were John Cookenboo, 27, and Vincent Yochelson, 23. The Bay Area natives began protesting against racism in 2009 when Oscar Grant, a 22-year-old African American, was shot in the back by a white Bay Area Rapid Transit officer. In the years since, they have attended dozens of demonstrations, including Occupy Oakland and Black Lives Matter marches.

    Two years ago, Trump's presidential campaign changed everything. White supremacists began holding rallies in the Bay Area. Antifa began confronting them — with force.

    "There has been a galvanization of both sides," Yochelson said. "We're each other's enemy."

    The same thing was happening across the country. On Inauguration Day, two incidents 2,000 miles apart hinted that the conflict — dating to standoffs between skinheads and anti-racists in the 1980s — had intensified.


    Related: [Anarchists and antifa: The history of the activists Trump calls the ‘alt-left’]

    In Washington, a masked antifa sucker-punched Richard Spencer, a leader of the alt-right movement that seeks to create a whites-only "ethno-state." Footage of the attack spawned Internet memes as well as a question many Americans seemed to take seriously: Is it okay to punch a fascist?

    The same day, an anti-fascist protester was shot in the stomach, allegedly by a Trump supporter, during demonstrations against a speech by right-wing blogger Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of Washington in Seattle.

    Whether Americans had heard of antifa or not, violence involving the far left and far right suddenly seemed to be everywhere.
     
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    Google "wehrwolf nazi" and you'll get your answer.
     

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