Pump-action shotguns -- how long before a ban?

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  1. Rucker61

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    It isn't what Australia does. In your country gun owners keep their guns locked up at home. The OP is suggesting a central repository for firearms.
     
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    Here in America, they invented a thingamajig or thingamabob called a Gun Safe, and it costs around the price of a mid priced gun, and is available at most large home remodeling centers like Home Depot and Lowes, and Sporting goods stores that sell firearms.

    They have them in stock, and depending on size hold quite a few Rifles and often 1 to 2 shelves for handguns and ammo.

    The only accidents that generally occur are people that are careless enough to leave loaded firearms within access of children or unauthorized people, not so common an occurrence.
     
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    Turtle, I've been over and over this. They aren't picking M1As. They aren't picking Mini 14s. They aren't picking Hungarian AKs. The big mass murder incidents here in the US, that involved long guns, involved AR15s more than any other long gun. Florida nightclub. Vegas. Colorado movie theater. San Bernardino. Why? Multiple reasons. Copy cat. Ease of use. Popularity. Whatever.
     
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    how do you write a law that bans an AR 15 but not the other guns?
     
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    All the money lawyers get and they can't write a law specific to the AR15s?
     
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    An Ar-15 was not used in Orlando; it was a Sig MCX. Not the same gun even though some parts are compatible. You're being over zealous here.
     
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    If such conspiratorial nonsense is to be believed, then why should it be believed that the united states government would not take the same route with regard to firearms?
     
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    What is the expertise on the part of yourself that allows for such a statement to be made?

    Alarms do not amount to an instantaneous law enforcement response, regardless of the location in which the alarm is sounding. This is especially so in smaller areas with a small law enforcement division.
     
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    In the united states, law enforcement divisions have lost hundreds of firearms, with them either being stolen from patrol vehicles, right out of the holsters being worn by the individual officers, or right out of the precinct building.
     
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    Indeed it cannot be done. Exactly how is an AR-15 defined in a manner that is exclusive to itself, and not to other semi-automatic rifles that utilize detachable magazines? Is it by name only? Companies would simply re-brand the AR-15 into something else, thus subverting the legislative effort entirely.
     
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    Especially a response from law enforcement knowing that they are responding to an unknown number of perpetrators with an unknown number of firearms. That's not a one officer response call.
     
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    How the hell do you know?
     
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    So what would such a law actually say?
     
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    Because they're already doing it. The Smith & Wesson line of semiautomatic magazine fed carbines is labeled the MSR 15, for Modern Sporting Rifle.
     
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    Another reason: cost. If an M1A cost under $500 and .308 ammo could be had for $0.30 a round, it would be a more popular choice. Interestingly, the big mass murder events outside of the US involved a Mini-14, full auto AK-47s and 19 tonne Renault trucks.

    The shooter at Virginia Tech used two handguns, one in rimfire caliber. The Umpqua shooter also used handguns. Fort Hood: handgun. Navy Yard: shotgun and stolen handgun. Binghampton: pump shotgun and revolver. Luby's: two handguns. These were all shootings with double digit fatalities.
     
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    no that won't work. there are several reasons why any honest court would strike down a law that bans one magazine fed 556 caliber semi auto rifle but not another that has the same features.
     
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    The answer to your question explains why such a requirement was held to violate the constitution.
     
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    The majority of mass shootings, and the majority of murders related to mass shootings, are committed with handguns.
    As we know, handguns cannot be banned.
     
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    All of which fail, as there's no sound argument for banning the sale and/or possession of AR15s.
     
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    Here, a legal requirement for this violates the constitution.
     
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    Yeah. One of the most popular, widely used, widely owned, and versatile firearms available today for hunting, competition, personal defense, etc. Nobody wants to talk about Heller's "in common usage" comment, now do they?
     
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    Which of congress's enumerated legislative powers do you think would allow them to enact such a law?
     
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    AR15: Because the next revolution won't be fought with muskets
     
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    -Love- the appeal to emotion.
    Sad - and predictable - that you don't have an -actual- argument for banning the AR.
     
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