The Five Best Arguments Against Immigration—and Why They're WRONG

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  1. PT78

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    The video is 4:16 long.




    And if you want another reason for immigration...just look at Japan. They STRONGLY resist immigration and have a low fertility rate (1.4). Result? Their population is actually shrinking...which could be disastrous for future GDP growth.
    While America's fertility rate is higher (1.9), it's still below the 'break even mark (2.0-2.2).
    America needs immigrants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

    And as fertility rates shrink in the developing world more every decade, immigration will become even more important to keep their (and America's) populations from shrinking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hers-are-freaking-out/?utm_term=.f8991dc6087a

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/baby-crisis-europe-brink-depopulation-disaster
     
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    Immigration is beneficial to most societies as they bring valuable skills. Even though immigration is beneficial it should be monitored; over immigration can create its own issues.
    I think the prospect of fertility is interesting in the American society; defiantly food for thought.
     
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    When in the very first argument Nick Gillespie concedes that immigration does reduce low skilled labor wage rates, I'd say that's reason enough to go no further.

    However the OP's issue seems to be fertility. Given the advances in automation, I'm not sure how important that's going to be in the future. What's the point of having a population of half a billion if you only have paying jobs for 40 or 50 million? But our current immigration system does nothing to address the fertility issue. The Raise Act does however. It provides a point system that gives higher points for those between 18-30. Obviously, importing millions of seniors, as we currently do through chain migration, doesn't do anything to help fertility.
     
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    I attended a forum last night ( long-long forum), where a Immigration lawyer went from the 1800's to present of "all" the legislation passed about Immigrants,from the Bracero Act,the United States bringing into this Country the millions of workers to pick crops & such,And bringing in the Chinese to build dams & the railroad, then putting them in internment camps up to today with trump wanting to get rid of them ----
    What I learned & I did learn a lot- Us American's are a fickle people------
     
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    Someone else who doesn't understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration....
     
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    Remind me again why black block attired Communists aren't roaming Japanese streets and campuses, burning cars and assaulting bystanders, calling Abe an Asian supremacist, insinuating he wants apartheid, etc?

    It seems nobody gives a hoot about Japanese migration policy when the entire international establishment would be up in arms if a Western nation had a similar such policy, saying Hitler this, Hitler that.

    Why are the Japanese allowed to ensure they aren't diluted into extinction, but the West needs to accept "cultural diversity"?
     
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    Who's against immigration? I honestly have never encountered anyone who is against immigration.
     
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    We're the only nation on Earth that has this level of unchecked mass immigration. It's clearly unnatural if we're going to judge by what a majority of the countries are doing. The thing is we have been the stupid people for far too long and that's why we've tolerated this much immigration.
     
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    But only for those of us without a high school diploma and even there by only about 5%

    Oh...
     
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    Let them immigrate legally, that's the issue here.

    Is the OP saying we need ILLEGAL immigration to survive as a nation?

    lol
     
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    Then I guess no nation does that because we surely don't.

    We cap immigration at 500,000 per year and they are highly vetted.

    But hey...being wrong never stopped Trumpers
     
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    Yeah you know, the kind of people the left used to claim to care about?
     
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    What you apparently didn't learn is that we live in the year 2018, not 1918 or 1818.

    To the topic, LW canard of trying to muddy "illegal immigration" into "immigration" out in full force, but fooling fewer people every day.
     
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    Where did you get that from my post? Care to try again?
     
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    Having different immigration policies at different times across centuries is not being "fickle."
     
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    Fertility rate as an argument for immigration is utterly ludicrous. Can't believe anyone would even post such hogwash.
     
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    Did the shyster lawyer mentioned that before 1965 maybe 30% of all immigrants who arrived to America didn't have the pioneer spirit and got back on the boat and returned to their mother country most Europe ?

    I doubt he did.

    Before 1960 there was no free stuff in America, no welfare state that would allow immigrants to become dependent on government.

    Rarely mentioned is "emigration." Immigrants who don't have the American pioneer spirit who refused to break a sweat and get dirt under their fingernails.They had two choices before 1965, turn to crime or back where they came from. Today's immigrants who can't take care of themselves and become dependent on government don't go back home but under chain migration they bring their uneducated and unskilled relatives to America.

    Return Migration
    Another factor in intensifying the impact of immigration is a reduced rate of emigration — that is, more of today's newcomers stay for their whole lives, rather than returning to the old country after a few years. Note that in the 1930s, emigration was higher than 100 percent, meaning that during the Great Depression more people left the country than entered.





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    https://cis.org/Report/Legacy-1965-Immigration-Act
     
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    Sorry,you didn't get my drift! Guess you would have had to be at the forum----
     
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    Mexican immigrants are becoming the largest number of Christians.

    The Church's last hope in reviving a dwindling congregation.
     
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    Not quite right. Selective immigration is beneficial. When a country limits immigration to those who have useful skills, will be able to take care of themselves, will not require welfare, then it benefits. Open borders is a disaster.
     
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    Don't even pretend you care about the poor.
     
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    exactly. it's not like the planet isn't overcrowded to buggery already.
     
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    The only way this society can even come up with the concept of "illegal immigration" asserts that this entire society doesn't understand it was founded upon illegal murderous genocidal immigration.
     
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    The more immigration we have, the lower we sink in international quality of life rankings. This has been happening since 1965.

    Coincidence? Yeah, right.
     
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    Hey, I'm not advocating policies to crush them. You are.
     

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