Millennials say no to kids, population 'replacement level' turns negative

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  1. Russell Hellein

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    Stalin was a strong believer in the central state, it was his contribution to Marxism. He was not an intellectual for sure. Mao was one at least for much of his career. His contribution was primarily to how Marxist could come to power and rule an undeveloped society - an issue Marx paid little attention to.
     
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    One that Marx paid little attention to because it was anathema to his theory.

    Mao did little other than steal Lenin's explanations for this contradiction.
     
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    It's much more subtle than you would think. I don't think the idea of technology transforming social relations would be as stuck in the public consciousness as it is without Marx, and I think that the idea of class conflict would have taken decades longer to be recognized and even longer to become ubiquitous. Even people who have no idea what Marx is think that advancing technology can make societies obsolete and that poor people and rich people are naturally at one anothers' throats.
     
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    I don't know the details of either theorist, but Lenin for the most part focused on an urban revolution not a rural one, which is what Mao stressed. Like most Marxist, Lenin had pretty strong contempt for peasants. Mao making them central to a communist revolution was revolutionary in terms of existing Marxist theory. Or lenin's theory.
     
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    My question would be, how has this actually impacted non-academics lives. Regardless of what they believe or don't believe how does this influence anything?
     
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    the concepts that shape our worldviews structure how we process information
     
  7. Russell Hellein

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    I am not sure I believe that. It has some impact in terms of culture. And lots of people will not take action because of this. But people believe many things that are factually not true.
     
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    yeah, and just because some beliefs are false doesn't mean that some beliefs are true. and that concludes my crash course on post-structuralism.
     
  9. Russell Hellein

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    lol which in any case has little to do with the original thread idea :p

    Teach the bomb..... phenomenology :)

    Is post structuralism the same thing as post positivism?
     
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    Fine...I apologize.

    But where exactly did the poster in question say exactly what you are accusing him of saying?

    You mentioned it twice, so you must have knowledge where this statement from said poster is.
     
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    what ironic is that the OP is childless and single.

    and a Millenial.
     
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    Might be true. Who's going to pick the crops then?
     
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    Who picks crops in Europe or Japan?
     
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    Don't know about Europe. I believe Japan is pretty much a closed society so I guess they pick their own.
     
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    There's a lot of social problems that exist everywhere else that don't exist in Japan.
    Even the homeless in Japan are very politely behaved and eek out their existence with some degree of dignity. I read in a tourist book from the 90s it wasn't extremely uncommon for homeless to sneak inside apartments and take food from the refrigerator. The tourist book said if you caught a homeless person in your place it was nothing to be alarmed about.
    Try contrasting this to the United States!
     
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    looks like its all over for the white christians

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    ...and to be replaced with what?
     
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    Ethnically, whites will remain a majority. Religiously, Christianity will remain a majority.
     
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    Not true, among babies they are already a minority.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/201...ies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says


    The only reason that doesn't seem to get reflected in the wider statistics is that the older generation looks very different from the younger generation. But the older generation is gradually dying off. The median age of women in the U.S. is 39.4 so half the population is already too old to be having more babies. In other words, if you look at the younger half, that's pretty much exactly what the future population is going to look like.
     
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    Two points of note: This is "non-Hispanic" whites, and this is children.

    Even by the end of the century the white population will likely remain hovering around 50%.
     
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    I am far from sure Christians have ever been in the majority in the US in terms of actually following the bible. The lord said the way to hell was well trodden, but few get to heaven. I am not sure how a christian nation could have tolerated Jim Crow, our treatment of native Americans, or the Guilded Age.
     
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    Pretty sure 90% of the hispanic population, naturalized, and illegal, identify as both white and Christian. I'm sure the descendants of the Spanish Inquisitors will be suitable replacements as the vanguards of Christian faith.
     

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