A question black leaders need to ask

The only real problem underlying all other problems regarding immigrants and illegal aliens is that your side absolutely refuses to be rational, honest, reasonable, and to look at details and nuance. Instead your side just wants to declare it all "black and white".

 

The problem with your side is you are always looking for nuance and hyperbole to excuse support for breaking laws, and following subjective agendas.

There is no nuance to illegal immigration. Explain to me how there is.

 

Then who is supporting all of this rampant disregard for enforcing immigration policy? Rich White liberal elites? Hmmm. Makes you wonder what the end game is

 

It does not require a majority to prevent change in government policy

Just a determined minority

And on immigration the illegal alien apologists are in all the right places

 

I'd be happy to. First, and please correct me if this is wrong, -the right says we have people who have been in this country for 20 or 30 years or more who are "illegal immigrants". Right?

Yes that's "right". And not long ago such a person who had been here 30 years after being brought here at age 10 by his aunt, was married to an American, had children, and had a good job and a clean record, was deported. Do you see any "nuance" in that? Do you see anything in it that would logically demand consideration and different treatment than you would like for a person who has been here 3 months, is single, and may not have a job?

 

"The Right" as you label it, say there are millions of illegal aliens living in the United States. People say there a millions of illegal aliens living in the United States. How many depends on the agenda of the people providing the number. Put it somewhere between 12 and perhaps 20 million.

Every one is an illegal alien. That's all anyone needs to consider. How long they have been here without being caught is a meaningless consideration.

Clean record? How is it possible for someone to live in the US illegally for 30 years, and have a clean record? Unless you mean they've been breaking laws everyday, but just haven't be caught.

Every day an illegal alien lives in the US, they know they could be caught, and deported. It's a decision they made when they decided to break the law and stay here.

Why shouldn't someone be held accountable to the laws they knew they were breaking from the beginning?

 

There you are. Blind to nuance. Black and white. Now you know the answer to why we disagree on this. And now you agree that your side absolutely refuses to be rational, honest, reasonable, and to look at details and nuance. You just said so.

 

Uh, nope. I put scientist vs scientist and see who has a better argument. You prove the point I was making though, you think CCD's aren't climatologist, or that no climatologist is a CCD. Although, most, if not everyone believes the climate is always changing anyways.

 

Yeah, breaking the law gets you expelled. "Nuance" allows for kids to kill people drinking and driving and because of "affluenza" only receives probation by a liberal judge.

 

Your reply with all the name calling indicates you have no real reply. Over and over when the left is on the losing side, out comes the name calling.

 

The person I mentioned was brought here when he was 10 years old, as is true in many other cases. He was raised here. I have been a passenger in cars that police stopped for speeding or running stop signs and I was never issued a citation. But your logic, or lack thereof, would require I be cited as a passenger.

Beginning back at least 30 or 40 or more years ago our government turned a blind eye to both illegal alien entry, and employers hiring such illegals. Would-be-immigrants in other countries spread the word: the US has lax immigration laws and they don't deport anyone. So more came and the government of both parties turned a blind eye to it. That was an error by our government. Continuing residence by illegals was their fault. They let it be. And now that your sentiment has changed and your favored party opposes standing still for illegal immigration, you want to make those who have been here for 30 years to pay a penalty of deportation for your government's mistake. There is more nuance for you. Sorry, you don't get such unfair passivity and ignoring of important details from anyone but your far right cohort. Your position is ethically bankrupt and immoral. It lacks normal human compassion and intelligence, and you can have it. But don't expect me or the left to agree with your short sight.

 

No, it's a stupid question because democrats do not "support illegal aliens" as a group. Yes, there are nuances as I've been tediously explaining to "ocean515". You might read my replies.

 

I understand your perspective on this and why you would want there to be exceptions made for such instances. But I must ask if you make those exceptions are you not setting a precedent on how others in a similar situation are treated?

 

Those black are in poverty because the Wh, congress and senate are in GOP control. Cons always blame dems for what they themselves have made happen. Raygun tripled the national debt, Shrub daddy doubled it again in only four years, and Shrub Jr. doubled it yet again with a republican congress and senate, and destroyed the whole U.S. economy and global economies. Today these deplorable s blame the dems, even the $1.5 trillion Twerp just added to the debt giving it to corporations. Lower than whale turds.

 

The blacks who are poor and unemployed are that way cause of conservatives in the WH and congress now? LOL, but I am sure you give credit to the dems who last held the house in 2012 and the senate in 2014 for the blacks who are working right now right? Like, before the GOP took control, blacks were rich and at complete employment?

 

And absolutely not among people that have come here legally. One of my best friends is from Peru. He did it according to the law, and hates anyone that doesnt do it the legal way like he did.

 

They may consider that they are being better treated by Democrats than Republicans. When there is a Trayvon Martin-like incident, it's Democrats who take the side that almost all Blacks side with. It never works the other way. That's a lot more important than "issues." Particularly when Republicans don't have any real issues that would appeal to Blacks. "By your bootstraps" and Enterprise Zones? No way.

 

No, you got it wrong. It's your side that refuses to be rational, honest, reasonable and to look at details and nuance.

A bank robber who gets away with it for 30 years is still a bank robber.

An illegal alien has to break the law every single day in order to live in the United States. What part of that rational, reasonable, detail and nuance is so hard for you to see?

 

Why would you be cited as a passenger? Lame analogy.

Your story is BS.

What do you think Reagan signed 34 years ago.

Illegal aliens made a decision. Ask any of them if they knew there might come a day they could be caught and deported.

Any hardship they cause on the family is due to their decisions, nobody elses.

At least be honest enough to state you don't care that they broke the law.

Oh, and make sure you let other people know what laws they get to break. That little tidbit seems to be something people who support illegal aliens have trouble articulating.

 

I don't think so, -not if it is handled all in one policy. For example, grant citizenship for those who have been here for, say, 19.5 years or more (government LOVES odd numbers and fractions) AND have been married for more than 2 years, and then some sort of legal status to those who have been in the US for 10 years and were married prior to the date of the publishing of the policy. And then tentative status of some sort for those who who have been here less than 10 years and are married with children, etc, etc, and deportation for those who are single, have no family here, and have been here less than 10 years and are over age 30 (IOW they weren't brought here as minors). Something like that would avoid the precedent you seem concerned about. And don't hold me to those numbers of years, etc.

 

No question Dems have empty appeals to emotion down pat. Republicans are terrible at that game.

Republicans have significant issues that would appeal to Blacks - jobs, security, independence, etc.. It's just that the propaganda from the left, and the race pimps who profit from being self imposed leaders of their community, will never let that message get very far. Way too much money at stake to allow that.

It's a shame.

 

Your choice to call a blanket opinion "nuanced" doesn't make it nuanced. Either you're spinning and playing word games in the hope of snowing me, or you need to look up the definition of "nuance". "Black and white" vision is NOT "nuanced".

 

If you did that then you have set the precedent, now people would know that you can come in illegally and bring their children and in doing so have a chance at citizenship for them without going through the proper channels. We should be discouraging breaking our sovereignty and our laws, not giving people incentives to breaking them. There should be a better way, where we can provide a responsible and equitable way of emigrating yet also saying we do not accept that you can sneak into our country, bring your kids, and not be held accountable no matter how long you avoided detection.

 

The laws affecting this question have not been enforced for many, many years. If they had been then no illegal alien could have stayed here because they came for jobs and lifestyle they could buy. If they can't get jobs they wouldn't come.

But again, you demonstrate zero capacity for nuance and zero compassion for circumstances. It is not reasonable to expect a person who was brought here at age 10 and lived here and went to school here to suddenly, at age 21, think "hmmmm, I know nothing about the country I was born in, I know nobody there, and I have no family there, but since I'm not a citizen here I should pack up and go back to the country of my birth and start over". THAT is insane. It's hateful, indefensible thinking.

 

What laws should people be allowed to ignore while living in the United States?