For those on the Progressive Left who hate America...

Name one non-White country that you would like the U.S. to be more like.

I'll make this even easier for you: Name one country that's non-English speaking and isn't located in Northwestern Europe.
(Out of 195 countries in the world, more than 90% meet that criteria, so surely you can find just one)

Sweden isn't doing so well today, ever since it decided to increase it's level of diversity.
Poverty rates are up, there's a shortage of apartments for young people, and the general standard of living has gone down. (Not to mention thefts and sexual assault rates have skyrocketed)

Why do ALL the countries you want the U.S. to be more like have much lower levels of diversity than the U.S. ?
I'm sure it's just a completely irrelevant coincidence.

In fact here's something else interesting to point out. It seems like the Progressive regions in the U.S. tend to be located more in the North, where traditionally over 95% of the population has been white (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota). Either that or they tend to be located in wealthier urban areas where, despite traditional high levels of diversity, the neighborhoods still tend to be segregated apart by race and income level. That is, wealthier Progressives can deal with diversity on their own terms, and the poorer population has been forced out due to the high housing prices.

Of course, California is an interesting situation all it's own. There's a lot of wealth, but also it's very close to the border. It flipped back and forth in elections until about 1992, and the Progressives have cemented their position there ever since. In the 25 years since, the state has become as progressive as New York. There's been a huge demographic shift (51.4% of the children in the state under the age of 18 were Hispanic, as of 2016) accompanied by a massive exodus of the white working class out of the state, and beginning over the last 15 years the middle class too. There's a substantial number of Hispanics now pouring out of the state because they're having difficulty affording to live there.

Cuba has a socialized healthcare system. Would you like the U.S. to be more like Cuba?

It seems that, when taken altogether, what Progressives want is a Utopia. Something that doesn't yet exist in any country on earth.

 

I would like to be more like Japan and even further anti-immigration and friendlier to the people that are already here and their families. Proud to be American and not Mexico Norte or taken over by Muslims. Assimilate to our culture and values.

 

I don't think Progressives would actually want their country to be more like Japan.
Japan has a lot of policies that aren't very "progressive". Begging is looked down upon, and the social service agencies are very stingy about handing out food aid or assistance to older people in need.
Also the prisoners waiting for years on death row aren't informed when they're going to executed until immediately right before it happens.

 

I like the US - the only big improvement that could be made is if we could rid ourselves of all the racists dicks who populate the internet.

 

Most people would like to rid the world of people they don't like, but the majority of honest people don't resort to degrading labels to de-humanize them. Funny thing about that- quite often the person using the label to attack others is the one it fits best.

 

Look, I don't want to make this all about race, but to claim it has nothing at all to do with race whatsoever is absurd.

 

Yes. The more affluent Progressives promote an ideology that results in self-aggrandizement, lately referred to as "virtue signaling," and all the while their policies destroy the very ones they falsely purport to be trying to "save."

 

You are correct. I lived in Japan for a couple of decades, and there are a number of things Progressives would despise:
1. SHAME to receive welfare.
2. Most women - including the young women - have an encouraged goal of "married, at home, and with children"
3. Education consists of much memorization at the younger levels. Progressives despise that, and have ruined our education with "self-concept," "inventive spelling," "discovery math," etc.
They would like, however, the unborn baby killing for any reason and the somewhat socialized medicine.

 

Our nation is one of the least racist nations among the modern ones.

 

I respectfully disagree with your last quote: The internet is an escape from the media. It is the people's voice.

Your other quote, "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence" is interesting. I think that a college education in the social "sciences" renders many people stupid. That is, they are dumber when they come out after 4 years.

 

I doubt most Americans would trade places with any other nation. That doesn't mean they are bad or don't measure up to our standards. They're just different from us. People in liberal democracies are free to adopt cultures and mores that best suit themselves. Socialist and communist dictatorships are another matter entirely.

 

Progressives are so very naive about what the top 4% will do once they have taken over.

The next time it won't be, "you can keep your doctor and save $2500." It will be, "who are you loyal to and how much can you give to my foundation?"

 

Was it an honest person who would put half of the voters in the US into a basket labeled, "Deplorable," and then claim that they are unredeemable ?

 

I love reading these, “Progressives hare America” threads because nothing more could be so biased and untrue.

A good country we can emulate that isn’t in Northwestern Europe is Japan. They seem to have healthier eating habits, the populace is more disciplined and the maternity rate in Japan seems to have taken a five recently, which means Japanese people must know how to use condoms.

I know you said non-white, but you arent goong to get a better example that’s not in Europe other than Jaoan, unless we should emulate Austrailia.

 

And the people do need a voice. Part of the problem is that "the people" includes all the bias, the hostility, incivility and bad faith trying to pass as discussion. Not exactly a distillery of truth.

 

Feminism doesn't really exist there.
The homeless in Japan are also extremely polite and respectful. They clean up after themselves and almost never beg in the streets or panhandle.
Unlike in the U.S., people can walk around in the streets of major cities after dark and there are virtually no safety issues.

 

And America shouldn’t emulate this, why? This is coming from a progressive.

 

Not in my book. I had that pegged long before that comment; just too many rare coincidences and suspicious events had lined up.

 

There is a drastic contrast in character and behavioral values between the US and Japan. While a country can adjust it's laws, adjusting the mindsets and attitudes of it's people is vastly more difficult; those are cultural and heritage things.

The difference in our attitudes can be illustrated in one parameter by looking at the count of lawyers. This would reflect the level of honor that we conduct ourselves with and handle our business and conflicts with.

Japan has 7 lawyers per 100,000 population.
#2 on the world list would be Britian, with 94 per 100,000.
Then, there is the USA... with 291.

The density of lawyers in the USA is 42 times that of Japan.....

If we could find a way to get along and by better behavior and more good faith in dealing with conflicts- without taking each other to court- perhaps we would have solved out own problem.

 

Liberals annoint themselves as morally superior bigots to those whom they dismiss as racist and against the social safety net. It has the intellectual and emotional sophistication that a five-year-old would enjoy.

 

Another invocation of 'racism' against people who don't view the world like you; and another vague call for censorship of information that doesn't fit your narrative. You are so positive you are morally superior. So proud of yourself for championing the invasion of the west by hostile third worlders. Pride comes before a fall though. Unfortunately the fall will include the entire western world, and as the west goes so does everyone else.

 

Yes, and people thinking that America should emulate Japan are only thinking superficially. For one thing, their concept of "liberty" is entirely different. They were possibly the last modern nation to come out of feudalism, and it carried over into their institutions. There is much "group-think," and Americans pride themselves on independence.

People who just say we 'should be like....' are almost always very superficial thinkers. With every attitude or value, things are attached. I remember when Liberals were raving about how great Japanese companies are because they take care of their employees, even in hard times. Well, Left-wingers are predisposed to cherry-pick things and avoid realities: What came along with that was the expectation to work extra hours and weekends without extra pay and stay with the company until one retired.

 

Yes. They are not able to explain or defend their positions, so that nonsense starts!

 

There's a new story out today that indicates the irrational nature of the left:

Top Dem suggests sacrificing Senate seats to stop Supreme Court nomination
Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., acknowledged that so-called red-state Democrats may be tempted to vote for Trump's selection out of political necessity, but urged his colleagues Sunday to consider more than their political careers.
"Beyond the procedure, beyond the gamesmanship, it is a life-and-death important decision to be made by this court on so many issues," the Senate minority whip said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Since the nomination has not even been made, Durbin has no idea who he would be opposing, but is saying that regardless of who Trump nominates- it's worth losing senate seats in the mid-term to oppose it.

It's no wonder Trump is winning. With thinking like that, these guys are their own worst enemies.
Way to go, Durbin.

 

Sorry for butting in, but I agree. We should emulate that. Also, you might not fit the modern day progressive litmus test if you have issues with feminism. Maybe you’re more in line with the FDR progressive types that are almost non-existent today. I’m a JFK style liberal myself and there aren’t many of us left either.