Interfering in other peoples' elections ...

That hotbed of screaming Leftist radicalism, The American Conservative, has an interesting piece by Doug Bandow, a former Special Assistant to Ronald Reagan.

He makes the point that the only bi-partisan agreement in Washington is portraying the Russians as a great threat to us.

He points out that everything the Russians are accused of doing, and which they have in fact done -- interfering in elections, dismembering nations, whipping up civil war in other countries ... are also things the US has done.

It's very interesting article, and goes into some detail about each of the above.

You can read it here.

 

Have we forgotten the Obama administrations interference in an Israeli election so soon?

 

blank stares from the PF leftists.

 

Blank stare from me as well. What did he do?

 

He put his thumb on the scale with your money:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, July 12, 2016
The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.
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This will be as vague and confused as the Mikerin conviction.

 

OneVoice Movement
The OneVoice Movement is a global initiative that supports grassroots activists in Israel, Palestine, and internationally who are working to build the human infrastructure needed to create the necessary conditions for a just and negotiated resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

http://www.onevoicemovement.org/

 

So that means that it was perfectly fine for Barack Obama to interfere in the Israeli election? Give us a definitive 'yes' or 'no' here because it really does seem that as a group leftist 'ethics' in the United States is all over the political spectrum and is strictly based on a combination of hypocrisy and 'the end justifies the means' situational philosophy.

 

Obama was interfering on the Israeli election with US taxpayer money. You just need to admit that: "OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report"

 

Are you reading impaired?

 

For example, if you take this one ...

http://www.dovhlevin.com/

and this is just one example of many sources, since 1946 the US has by proof and evidence intervened in 81 election campaigns in other countries ... latest in Nicaragua.

So before any American gets angry at the Russians about, please look in the mirror of your own American disgrace and then shut up in shame!

 

So, no answer? That is an answer in and of itself.

 

Not very discerning, are you? Next you'll claim that Mikerin was involved in Uranium One.

 

What should be our attitude towards one government trying to sway an election in another country?

As a matter of tactics, it's very tricky: most people don't like the idea that a foreign government is involved in their elections, supporting a particular candidate or party, because they believe that a foreign government is doing this in its own interests.

Of course, "its own interests" might well be in the interests of the people of that country, or of the whole world. I'm personally glad that the US supported democratic parties in Europe after WWII, given that Moscow was supporting the large Communist Parties there. But ... it does make them seem tainted in the eyes of their own voters.

In 2004 the British leftwing paper The Guardian encouraged its readers to write letters to voters in a certain county in the swing state of Ohio, urging them to support the Democratic candidate against President Bush. Bad idea. But not morally bad ... why shouldn't American voters hear what British people thought about their election? But national pride is all-powerful.

So, the rule should be: if you're going to try to sway the election in another country, whether or not "you" are a government or a private newspaper ... better not get caught!

PS: Margot2: thanks for this link. http://www.onevoicemovement.org/ .. never heard of them, but I'll check them out.

 

This is not a left wing or s right wing issue. This is but a Trump vs America issue. Trump's ego is being bruised by the possibility that Russia interfered and therefore may have influenced the election toward Trump. It that an absolute scenario that Russia ace Trump POTUS. No! Not absolute.

Fir Trumpers to cry for Russia is absurd. For Thumpers to accuse the US of interfering with other country's elections is UnAmerican.

I do not care if the US interfered with another country's election. If we did must have been in our best interest to do so.

I as an American care about my country first and foremost. My country is more important than political party more important than a particular POTUS.

My country is by far more important than Russia. As far as I am concerned if soace aliens wiped Russia from the face of the earth I would say THANK YOU, ! NOw leave us alone !

 

Aliens aren't going to wipe out Russia. The Chinese might, some day, but after they've reloaded they might look for a second big target. So be careful what you wish for.

And as for 'wiping out' Russia, don't stoop to the level of the well-meaning but muddle-headed leftist British philosopher Bertrand Russell, nominal head during the Vietnam War
of the so-called 'International War Crimes Tribunal' (only American alleged war crimes, of course). Russell originally, in the late 1940s, came very close to calling for an American first
strike against the USSR while the US still had a monopoly of atomic weapons.

The US has been the overwhelmingly dominant economic and military power on the planet for 70 years. That's coming to a close.

When you're very strong, you can get away with anything.

Now we've got to be smarter.

 

UK really shouldn't have interfered in your last election with the BS Christopher Steele dossier and then the Trump campaign spy.

Appalling behaviour by England to be complicit with Obama's government in undermining democracy to try and rig the election for Hillary

 

But that's where the core of the whole problem lies ...

Assuming that the Russians, in their own interests, have actually taken influence on the recent US election campaign ... don't you think the Russians are thinking the same way you are writing here?

It is very absurd and hypocritical, even ridiculous, if the US intervenes in its own interest in whatever election campaigns in whatever country ... but then the Americans get upset if there are others capable of doing so, like Russia, and vice versa do with the US too, eh?

 

So you have no problem with Obama INTERFERING ON THEIR ELECTIONS, as long as it serves the World Left Agenda.

Pointing out the glaring left hypocrisy ON EVERY TOPIC ON THE PLANET has become an exercise in belaboring the obvious.

 

Why don't you do your homework for a change? I made it easy for you.

 

I don't see any problem with it. Nations have very high stakes in who gets elected in other nations. They and us should be doing our best to shape other nations into what's best for us. I expect Russia to try and get their people elected here just as I expect us to do the same over there.

 

Nope because it never happened. Fake righty news.

A conservative blog claimed, "Obama has been sending taxpayer dollars, at least $350,000 to fund anti-Likud, anti Netanyahu groups in Israel for tomorrow’s election."

First, there is the matter of the dollar amount. If any U.S. money was used to mobilize anti-Likud voters, it would have been in Israel. A more accurate figure would be $233,500.

Next, there is a matter of the blog’s tense. "Has been sending" says the action is continuing. In this case, the money stopped flowing in 2014, before elections were called in Israel.

Finally, the allegation that the money was spent to fund anti-Likud, anti-Netanyahu groups in Israel for the election is based on speculation. Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game. It would be naive to ignore that OneVoice’s policy positions mesh well with V15’s voter mobilization, but that’s different from saying that American taxpayer dollars were spent by V15.

That may change as more evidence comes to light.

PunditFact’s rulings are based on when a statement was made and on the information available at that time. This claim rates Mostly False.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...laims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo/

 

Have we forgotten Clinton as SecState interferring in Russian elections?

 

The egos involved her are Hillary's and the Democrats trying to find an excuse for losing.

 

Where would a good conservative be without their Obama "whataboutism?"

Every Administration in this and the last Century to some degree involved itself in other nation's elections, so it is kinda humorous how conservatives now feel that this makes it totally acceptable for a foreign government, which has been antagonistic toward the Untied States, to covertly attempt to influence our democratic elections

Strange position coming from those who previously had a near hysterical suspicion of that same nation and who are also notorious for their fear of of existential threats. I guess conservative ideology all depends on who occupies the White House