Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

Interesting, but my assessment of PolitiFake is much lower than theirs. The site if bursting full of lies and deliberate mistakes.

 

I haven't time to decipher your posts. Placing a lie and a link is pretty simple. Why the resistance? It's like a nightclub that insists you wear formal clothes and you keep turning up in a caveman's bearskin. Sorry pal, no bearskins. Now if you have a lie, post it.

 

You keep talking about you and me instead of just posting a lie. You posted what you thought was a lie. I responded. You didn't respond to the points I made, instead you veered off into ad hominem land. Stick with the argument. Address the points I made.

 

If he told any lies let me know. Detail the lie and place it here.

 

You complain and whine, criticize and deride Trump, but so far I haven't seen a lie offered. This thread is inviting you to provide a lie he allegedly told, not provide a character assessment.

 

Why are you so desperate to change the subject away from Trump's alleged lies? It must be because, like me, you can't find one.

 

Learning not to let slimy trolls get to you is called for here

 

I see a whole lot of words, but no clearly defined lie being presented. You might as well just provide a link to the Washington Post and say, "There's my argument." My job is not to sift through your ponderous post to find a lie. That's your job. So if you have one, point to it, and provide a link.

Score so far for the Left:

ZERO.

 

Obama: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

Hillary: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

 

Nonsense. Many millions of Americans watched on their iPads, through Facebook, through their smartphones, desktop and other computers, on YouTube and through other online media, and the same applies all around the world. I watched here in Australia first on Foxnews, and again, online. Both instances of my watching were not recorded by Nielson. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Trump commands huge audiences globally as well as in the States. Nielson has nothing to do with it. Every tweet Trump publishes appears on billions of TV screens globally two or three times a day as the news is told and re-told. There is no person alive or dead that has had the coverage he has had.

 

That is the most elusive observation, I admit. But why are not the remote monitors, clearly visible in Obama's photo, on or even emplaced in the Trump photo

 

Trump lied when he said he would win the presidency. Over 100 polls prove that was a lie.

 

Turns out federal courts ruled he can't, so claiming he couldn't wasn't a lie. It was the truth.

 

Okay, the first day of his inauguration. The business with the crowd. Got ya.

Remarks by President Trump and Vice President Pence at CIA Headquarters

January 21, 2017 - Langley, Virginia - 3:21 P.M.

The entire transcript is here.

He spoke about 2,240 words at that time. I’ll paste just 324 words – about 14% - below. You can check it out and tell me where the lie is. I’ll highlight the ‘millions’ parts you mentioned in red. I’ve looked through it and I see no lies. Fake News has been hollering about them since January last year, but I don’t see any. Do you? If you see any spell them out clearly, hear?

And I was explaining about the numbers. We did a thing yesterday at the speech. Did everybody like the speech? (Applause.) I’ve been given good reviews. But we had a massive field of people. You saw them. Packed. I get up this morning, I turn on one of the networks, and they show an empty field. I say, wait a minute, I made a speech. I looked out, the field was — it looked like a million, million and a half people. They showed a field where there were practically nobody standing there. And they said, Donald Trump did not draw well. I said, it was almost raining, the rain should have scared them away, but God looked down and he said, we’re not going to let it rain on your speech.

In fact, when I first started, I said, oh, no. The first line, I got hit by a couple of drops. And I said, oh, this is too bad, but we’ll go right through it. But the truth is that it stopped immediately. It was amazing. And then it became really sunny. And then I walked off and it poured right after I left. It poured. But, you know, we have something that’s amazing because we had — it looked — honestly, it looked like a million and a half people. Whatever it was, it was. But it went all the way back to the Washington Monument. And I turn on — and by mistake I get this network, and it showed an empty field. And it said we drew 250,000 people. Now, that’s not bad, but it’s a lie. We had 250,000 people literally around — you know, in the little bowl that we constructed. That was 250,000 people. The rest of the 20-block area, all the way back to the Washington Monument, was packed. So we caught them, and we caught them in a beauty. And I think they’re going to pay a big price.​

 

The GOP won 306 to 232 in an Electoral College system. There was no popular vote election so a "popular" vote doesn't exist, despite what pundits on both sides say.

 

That doesn't magically make his truthful comments lies.

 

It was a political promise, not a lie. You calling it a lie is a rather flagrant lie on your part. It's especially stinky hypocrisy on your part, as you don't hold Trump to the same standard. I mean, by your standards, Trump promised to make Mexico pay for the wall, and he hasn't, so he lied.

Of course you won't. Cultists are inherently dishonest and cowardly, so they auto-define anyone who criticizes the cult as liars. That way, they don't have to face up to the fact that they're worshiping liars.

So, was the point of this thread to demonstrate how most hardcore Trump followers behave like brainwashed cultists? If it was, you've accomplished your goal admirably.

 

Another comment:

My reply:

You have a lot of people who use the word “son”. Many groups come to see Trump and they point out that their parents long wanted their sons’ remains to be brought home. They say things like, “Our parents prayed to have their son’s remains brought home, for decades. We’re here to see their wishes come true.” Trump would reply, “We’ll do our best to bring your parent’s sons home as they wished.”

After many conversations like this with so many people, in which the word ‘sons’ is used over and over, it becomes a habit to refer to ‘their sons’ in reply to the groups asking for the remains. If English were your first language this would not be hard to understand. If it isn’t, that would help explain people misunderstanding Trump. Many immigrants would not quite understand this and other nuances of the English language. Trump can, for instance, stand at a podium in front of such groups and say, “We will bring home your sons’ remains,” even though there might only be one parent in the audience, and the audience will understand exactly what he means. Many will even shed tears. Not one will leap up and screech, “LIAR! LIAR! NONE OF US ARE THE PARENTS!” though I wouldn’t put it past smallminded Trump-hating snowflakes to behave in that despicable manner.

So once again – no lie - just a nuance of the English language, a manner of speaking and a habit of using the word ‘son or ‘sons’ in regard to a particular group.

 

Another comment:

My reply:

Trump had a list of plans when he was campaigning. One plan was that, as POTUS, he would not play golf. As a businessman he had much to learn in his transition to politician. One of the things he would learn is that some of his plans would have to change.

When he played golf as POTUS you and the rest of the Trump haters were quick to accuse him of lying. There is no doubt his doctors and advisors would have worked hard to persuade him to continue playing golf for his health and figure. Trump would not be easy to convince. They may have even gathered in a group to persuade him. If so the conversation probably went like this:

Scene: Donald Trump enters the oval office with campaign manager, Corey.

Donald: Well hello, I didn’t know you were going to be here, Melania. What’s this all about?
Melania: We’re here to provide you an intervention, darling.
Doctor 1: [chuckling] Well, it’s not really an intervention, but then again…
Advisor 1: It’s about golf, sir.
Melania: You need it darling.
Donald: Golf? I promised I wouldn’t play as President…
Advisor 2: That’s the problem sir. Your golf is important for your health.
Donald: I must have promised I wouldn’t play a million times. How will I live that down?
Doctor 2: It’s just one of those things Mr. President. You have to put your health first.
Donald: What’s wrong with my health?
Advisor 4: You’re putting on weight sir, and it could cause heart problems…
Donald: I’m as strong as an ox! What weight? I can deal with that.
Melania: I noticed you’ve put on weight.
Doctor 1: She’s right sir. You have. And you’re 72, and under a lot of stress.
Doctor 2: It can be a slippery slope sir. Once it gets away from you it’s very hard to fix.
Advisor 1: The golf will help keep you trim sir.
Donald: [sits down] But like I say, I promised…
Corey: That’s okay sir – sometimes in this job a promise has to be broken.
Donald: [Facepalms and sighs] Man…Fake News will have a field day calling me a liar.
Advisor 2: True, but they’ll do that no matter what you do, so what’s the difference?
Melania: Darling, will you do it for me?
Donald: Well, I…
Advisor 3: Sir, you can still do your work while playing golf.
Melania: And you didn’t know about this when you made the promise. You were a businessman then…
Doctor 2: You meant what you said sir, so that’ not a lie.
Donald: I guess so, but they’ll never swallow that.
Advisor 4: You’ve been advised that it is very important to change your mind about this issue, for your health’s sake.
Donald: Can I tell the people that?
Advisor 1: No sir, that would not be a good idea.
Melania: Why not?
Advisor 2: Fake News will start a campaign that you’re unhealthy.
Donald: So what do I say then?
Advisor 3: Don’t say anything sir.
Melania: Darling, I want you to be slim and healthy. Not fat.
Doctor 2: You should take her advice sir.
Donald: Okay, if you all think so. I’ll do it, but I hate it.

Headlines soon after:

TRUMP LIES! TRUMP LIES! HE’S PLAYING GOLF! LIAR! LIAR!

Now let’s switch to your grandfather, and let’s say he’s 72. He tells you he’s going to have a stomach operation to lose weight. He tells you this for about a year, going on and on about it. Finally the New Year comes and you ask him, “So grandfather, when’s the operation?”
“What operation?” he asks.
“You know,” you reply. “The one to lose weight – where they tie a loop around your stomach or something.”
“Too expensive,” he grunts. “Turns out it’s way more expensive than I thought it would be. Can’t do it now. Will just have to diet instead.”

Do you jump up and screech “LIAR! LIAR! YOU SAID YOU’D HAVE THE OPERATION! LIAR! LIAR!”? A grandson who did that would be considered a lowly wretch by most folk. Yet you’re happy to do that with your President.

Seriously, don’t millennials know any shame?

Summary: No lie. Changing your mind on the advice of doctors is not “lying”. We all change our minds daily or weekly about lots of stuff.

 

Summary of this thread:

Normal person: Trump said black is white. That's obviously a lie.

Trump cultist: No! Someone told him black is white, so it wasn't a lie, and you're a lying liberal for saying he lied!

Normal person: Was it your goal to demonstrate the pathologically dishonest nature of the Trump cultists?

 

Another:

My reply:

Where is the lie? If I say, "One day I will own a hotel," it isn't a lie. It's a statement nobody can prove or disprove. He didn't put a time limit on when the wall would be built, and he didn't say when Mexico would pay. Meanwhile, religious Lefties are very patient with other promises. They've been waiting two millennium for Christ’s second coming. They wouldn’t wait a few years for Trump’s wall or for the Mexican money that will pay for it.

Priest: Never mind my daughter. One day we will all be brought to heaven.
María: But when, Padre? When?
Priest: Patience my dear. When the Second Coming is here, you will know…
María: It’s been more than 2000 years Padre!
Priest: Eez true, but Christ said he will come, so he will come...
María: Sí Padre. I just get so hungry…
Priest: I know, I know. So, any news on Trump’s wall?
María: Ay caramba! He said last week he will build it.
Priest: So where is it? ¡Que ridículo! ¡Que estúpido!
María: Sí, está loco. ¡Una idiota! There eez no wall. The hombre eez a liar!
Priest: Ju didn’t vote for heem I hope?
María: Of course not, Padre. I vote for Cleenton. Ten times.
Priest: Hokay. Next time vote twenty times.
María: Sí.

Ah well… the religious Left. What can you do?

 

Summary of this thread:

Larrikin: Supply me just one alleged lie Trump told.
Left: Waaaggghhh! See PolitiFake! See PolitiFake!

 

Trump will go down in History as a synonym for Liar

• cheat
• con artist
• perjurer
• phony
• storyteller
• deceiver
• dissimulator
• equivocator
• fabricator
• fabulist
• falsifier
• fibber
• maligner
• misleader
• prevaricator
• promoter
• trickster
• deluder
• fabler
• false witness
• Trump

 

Trump will go down in history as a synonym for Great.

• Excellent
• Splendid
• Outstanding
• Marvellous
• Superb
• Terrific
• Fantastic
• Grand
• Immense
• Tremendous
• Fine
• Huge
• First-rate
• Super
• Extraordinary
• Exceptional
• Distinguished
• Impressive
• Important
• Noble
• Stupendous
• Remarkable
• Notable
• Glorious
• Sensational
• Admirable
• Trump

 

Easy. Let's just go back to what you ran from. Raytri pointed out the big lie of Trump recently claiming, on more than one occasion, "US Steel just announced they are building six new steel mills"

In response, the Trump cultists no doubt quietly wept at their monitors for a while, knowing they couldn't excuse a lie that brazen, or any of the thousands of other lies. But they tried, mewling out that since Trump actually believed the false and ridiculous story that he told on multiple occasions, it wasn't really a lie.

That's a pathetic excuse for lying on your part, and it's all you do here.

By your "It doesn't count if you don't mean harm" ethical standard, drunk drivers are all innocent, because they don't mean to harm anyone. However, that's not how moral people see things. Those acting with reckless disregard are held responsible for their actions, regardless of their intentions.

Trump is a drunk driver with the truth. He acts with reckless disregard, just making up whatever is convenient for him to say at the moment, so he is morally responsible for the results. He's a liar. "But maybe he thought it was true" does not change that.