The U.S. is the only country that allows ads for prescription drugs on TV

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  1. Kode

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    and it's an example of powerful corporations directing government policy. Since it is inappropriate for patients to self-prescribe and they can't buy the drugs OTC, advertising them is inappropriate and can even cause problems for doctors. My doctor told me he has had a few patients ASK for specific drugs and tell him that if he wouldn't prescribe them they would find another doctor.

    Advertising prescription drugs should be banned here just as it is in other countries.
     
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    Totally agree.
     
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    Makes sense to me.
     
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    I have to believe that most Americans don't like paying the additional cost of slick, relentless television commercials added on to the already bloated price of prescription drugs as politicians grovel before Big Pharma and refuse to allow Medicare to negotiate prices and lower cost for Americans down toward the level of advanced nations.

    Sure, it's a real tearjerker to see ol' dotty Edgar in his honeydew mellon lizard shirt out with his prissy buddies on the course having to interrupt his eighth putt to suddenly skedaddle off to the club house men's room, but there is a little cup conveniently located on every hole!
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    ... and that doesn't begin to address the poignancy of his desperate need for Viagra®!
     
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    I might watch more TV if it had less drug commercials.
     
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    My question would be, do people really go to a doctor after seeing one of these commercials and demand to have their medication changed. Do that many people out there not trust their doctor. To be fair I do not take anything nor do I have any chronic health conditions. My visit to the doctor is usually just a bad chest cold I get during harvest season, and I only go so I can get some good cough medicine.
     
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    That struck me as being unusual on my first and even subsequent visits to the US. I thought to myself that Americans must be very well educated in pharmaceuticals.
    Me I just take what the doc hands out on a scrip.
     
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    Ban prescriptions.
     
  9. Bowerbird

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    The other side of that is it increases drug costs
     
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    Indeed!
     
  11. Texas Republican

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    Americans subsidize the cost of drugs worldwide. That's why they're cheaper elsewhere. To make a profit (and avoid going out of business) the drug companies promote their product.
     
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    Not "cost"; "profit".
     
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    Cost. Researching and developing these drugs is not free and the test procedure can take years once you get by the preliminaries of finding and making the drug.
     
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    What other kinds of speech would you like the government to ban? You are safe now with a Republican in the White House and you will be safe next year with a Republican majority in the Senate. Can you imagine if the radicalized Democrat party was in control.

    If you say the wrong thing on one of their social media sites, you get shadow banned.

    If you have thoughts they don't agree with they attack you in restaurants.

    If you say the wrong thing they go to your house and terrorize your spouse and young children.

    Allow the radical Democrat brand of censorship to take hold and you will find out what it's like to live in Cuba or Venezuela.

    Pharmaceutical Companies that develop drugs using grants and tax incentives provided by US Taxpayers should not be allowed to discount their drugs sold in other countries. If those countries don't want to pay the price for the drug, they should not be made available there. Since the US doesn't regulate pricing, the US taxpayer ends up subsidizing the drugs sold in countries that do.
     
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    I take the non authoritarian approach. I just don’t watch them!

    Dr.’s are as responsible for overuse as advertising. They prescribe them after all.
     
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    Prices for drugs are lower in other countries because they have price controls, which keep drug costs below what it costs to actually make the drugs.

    We do not have price controls. To stay in business (all companies need to make a profit to survive) they charge more for drugs to Americans. We subsidize the world. But thank God that we do, because if we didn't pay more than our share the drug companies would go out of business and stop making life saving drugs.
     
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    Ever check their profit? The development costs were covered long ago.
     
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    Then you should like a bill that Sen. Jeff Merkley just submitted. It would require drub companies to charge the American market a price equal to the median price they charge other developed countries. That way the companies can adjust the prices they charge every country S that we won't pay more than our fair share. The right is always griping that the USA is subsidizing other countries. Here's your chance to support a correction to that regarding drugs.

    TexasRepublican, show me evidence that the "prices for drugs are lower in other countries ..... (keeping) drug costs below what it costs to actually make the drugs."

    Really? 1. How do you know they would go out of business, and 2. what would they do, get into hedge fund management? LOL!!!
     
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    Yes by all means let the government black mail pharmaceutical industry. What they do in other countries is threaten to remove their patent protection. We've already developed most of the cheap and easy stuff. These days it can cost as much as a billion dollars to develop a new drug. Make it impossible to recover the cost of that drug and pretty soon their will be no reason to go to the trouble. Do you know what an orphan disease ease? Do you know why almost one works on treatments for those diseases and conditions?
     
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    Dude they make more money of the generics than they do off of new treatments. the costs of each new drug are unto itself. Follow your formula and you'll soon find no one works on new treatments at all.
     
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    Actually, they would cut back on research of new drugs, knowing their profit margins would be reduced. Kiss innovation good-bye.

    That proposed bill sounds ok. It may be the best option in the real world. But anything that limits profits will reduce the supply produced and cut back on innovation. The best thing to do would be for the other countries to eliminate their price controls. Then Americans wouldn’t get shafted and the companies would pour money into research.
     
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    Both FOX and CNN would immediately be out of business.

    I fully support this :)
     
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    Maybe its not wise to advertise prescription drugs. though I dont think it the national plague that you seem to think

    But there is the 1st Amendment to consider
     
  25. Kode

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    "Pharmaceutical profit margins vary widely, from less than zero to more than 40 percent, depending on the size of the company and whether it’s a powerhouse like Pfizer or Novartis or a startup still in the research and development phase. "

    "Pharmaceutical companies have some of the highest profit margins in the world
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    https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/average-profit-margin-pharmaceuticals-20671.html


    Gross profit margin of top pharmaceutical companies:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/473429/top-global-pharmaceutical-companies-gross-margin-values/

    So we can let go of the propaganda that the high prices are due to cost of development.

    I don't even what "an orphan disease ease" is, or what you're asking.

    Again, I don't know what you're asking. Apparently a part of one something, or less than one something, works on treatments for some diseases and conditions. Maybe you could start to telling me what "almost one" is.
     

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