Harry Reid: Trump is 'amoral' and 'the worst president we've ever had'

Reid - and many others - need to learn basic history.

What he spewed is ignorant, cynical, partisan blather.

Nothing else.

 

Don't forget, opinions from the opposition don't carry any weight. Kind of like pissing into the wind.

 

A lot of professional politicians who spent years cultivating their craft and base are pissed off because a rookie hit a home run in his first at bat in the biggest game.

Reid is a disgusting human being who admitted to lying about Romney's taxes, hell, he was proud of it. He needs to go find that hooker who belted him in the eye on New Year's Eve to see if can apologize for pissing her off and leave running the country to people who want to make America great again rather than people who got rich by being politicians.

If there were ever two people I would pay to see punched in the face it's Reid and Pelosi.

 

This whole line of "liars can't point out flaws in other people" or "the opinions of liars have no credibility" line of argument makes no sense to me.

Everyone is a liar. You are essentially taking the position that we should never listen to the opinion of anyone.

 

Politics in the Trump era was not(and is not) as simple as "Republican control". Because just like in the Obama years, you have a splinter in the ranks. Back then, it was middle of the road Democrats who didn't want to go along with the progressive agenda, and the blue dogs being routed out. That took hold finally in the Age of Cortez.

This time, the neoconservatives(who joined forces with progressives to marginalize the tea party in 2014. Which I considered betrayal of the party's principles and the final straw for me) have aligned with the Left again, to oppose Trump. Largely in the context of the "investigation".

Speaking of, isn't it ironic that the president/country is being punished via their resistance, even before the great Mueller's findings have been given to Congress? Indeed, they've used this as a pretext to NOT govern.

They use it as a pretext to blame Trump, instead of themselves. But the rebellion has not affected Trump, to the degree it has affected those furloughed workers. To the degree it has resulted in a lack of action on health care, infrastructure, etc. This in an era where Trump has not vetoed a single bill.

Let me repeat that: The guy everyone feared to be Hitler-lite, has not vetoed a SINGLE BILL. If this Congress wanted, it could ram anything in. This could have been a revolutionary era of progress. Instead, thanks to the "investigation", it has been used as a crutch to not do their jobs. And voters, none the "wiser" to this, have joined in the blame Trump crowd.

I'm not going to blame Donald. Despite his faults, he's one man and he gave Congress latitude and power no President ever has. They failed to execute. It allows a fool like Romney to go on his soap box, before even being sworn in. The President cannot make them hold hands and sing Kimbaya, despite Romney's foolish ideas that he could. No, that's THEIR JOB.

They've abdicated their job, and I wish they formally abdicated the seats they hold. Then we, the people could actually take them and self-govern.

 

Maybe it's just because you aren't a Republican. Maybe they aren't that bad. Maybe you are just upset because Democrats don't get to control everything all the time.

 

Ok, so try and explain this to me.

Why are oligarchy and establishment synonymous to you? The former is a group of people who rule a society based on being the few. We are not a country that is governed by an oligarchy. But if think we are, and the establishment is synonymous with oligarchy for you, then allow me ask another question.

Is the president of our country, the person literally in charge of millions of citizens, part of the establishment? He is most certainly one of the few, i.e. the definition for an oligarchy, who governs our country.

 

No, I do not have a citation for him directing them to stay. It is entirely possible that he never, ever said to a foreign dignitary or leader that he "has the best hotels" or something like "you need to stay at one of my amazing properties." Does he have a twitter account by chance? And I imagine it is entirely impossible to suggest that any foreign leader (say the Saudis) ever spent a tremendous amount of money (say, millions) at one of trump's properties (say, the new one in DC) during an event for trump (say, his inauguration). Just no way. Sorry I implied I had proof that trump directed a dignitary to stay at his privately owned properties.

And I assume you meant JFK and I gather you think he was a democratic hero because he bragged about grabbing a woman in a bath house?

First off, JFK would, absolutely and completely, be judged in a different way if his private exploits took place in 2011. But in JFK's defense, he was around 20-40 when he did those things and he was in living in the 50s. Trump said those things - in 2011 - at the young whipper snapper age of 69.

 

And maybe Trump is seriously a really inept bully who whines and lies about everything while holding almost no morality. And he is such a **** president that he has one of the highest turnover rates for any administration because he is such a bad president. And that his disapproval rating is actually based on real world opinions from an overwhelming majority of votes because he is such a bad person.

Meanwhile Bush jr. gets to look completely rational, personable, and intelligent by comparison. Unfortunately that is still not good enough for the history books to judge him as anything more than a less than average (arguably top 10 worst) presidents of all time.

 

You may have something there. Perhaps Trump had the right message, but was the wrong messenger. What is it that most people dislike about Trump? Okay, Democrats dislike him, republicans like him for the most part. Independents have moved more and more into the dislike column of Trump. Why? It's not his policies, independents are for some, against some, mostly split on them. But they sure don't like Trump. I think it boils down to his character, his personality, persona if you will. A persona more fit for a wrestler out of the WWE than the occupant of the Oval Office. Trump's behavior is very unpresidential. Trump obnoxious and at times uncouth behavior grates on people, drives them away. Even if one agrees on a lot of his policies, they still don't like him as a person, a man. They expect the president to act presidential.

I think if Trump had a different personality, more in line let's say Reagan's. If that was so doing what he is doing, trying to do, he would probably be getting very high approval numbers. Trump is a very easy man to dislike. It may have been time for someone to try to do what Trump is trying, but Trump was the wrong person, the wrong messenger to try it. I think it is his in your face and bullying type personality, character that will result in the failure of his message.

Gallup had a poll, article which showed while 45% of Americans approved of the job he was doing, only 36% had a positive opinion of Trump, the man, the person.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235844...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Here is another, 25 Dec 2018 YouGov poll. Question 64. Trump Likability, Regardless of whether you agree with him, do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? Only 18% like him as a person a lot, 13% like him as a person somewhat. But 39% dislike Trump as a person a lot, another 9% somewhat dislike. 12% responded neither, 8% unsure. You can see the party, gender, age, income, race breakdown if you care to look.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/32i3vgsdj6/econTabReport.pdf

 

You are just mad that Republicans exist.

 

Harry Reid was no paragon of virtue or competence.

Pot to Kettle.

 

Regulators are used to keep police, grand juries and eventually criminal trial juries out of it. Pay the fine and carry on.

How many people have to be poisoned by toxic lettuce before we kick the regulators to the curb and call the cops?

 

You think the Washington Post got it wrong?

“Nearly a year into his takeover of Washington, President Trump has made a significant down payment on his campaign pledge to shrink the federal bureaucracy, a shift long sought by conservatives that could eventually bring the workforce down to levels not seen in decades.

By the end of September, all Cabinet departments except Homeland Security, Veterans Affairs and Interior had fewer permanent staff than when Trump took office in January — with most shedding many hundreds of employees, according to an analysis of federal personnel data by The Washington Post.

The diminishing federal footprint comes after Trump promised in last year’s campaign to “cut so much your head will spin,” and it reverses a boost in hiring under President Barack Obama. The falloff has been driven by an exodus of civil servants, a diminished corps of political appointees and an effective hiring freeze.”
THE WASHINGTON POST, How the Trump era is changing the federal bureaucracy, By Lisa Rein and Andrew Ba Tran, December 30, 2017.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b0995360725_story.html?utm_term=.fa3d5359c73e

Trump has eliminated over 16,000 federal jobs in less than two years. A good start.

 

Harry Ried is a lying scumbag

 

Reid was one of the most unethical and corrupt politicians on the face of the planet.

To call Harry Reid a snake is an insult to snakes.

 

Well whaddya know, an anti-Trump thread. That makes a nice change?

 

No. Get a better argument.

 

Democrats were huge fans of the wall when it was Obama building it.

 

Better than yours? Easy peasy.

 

No need. I'm arguing against someone being petty.

 

I'm trying to think of truly effective president other than Trump since Teddy Roosevelt. I can't think of a single one.

 

Dems support walls where needed, not a great wall of China across the entire border

if Trump wants to get serious and discuss real needs, then we can talk, so far Trump just wants a wall to stamp his ego brand name on, he could care less about border security

 

republicans would never allow CEO's to be imprisoned for regulatory violations - in fact when a corp doesn't clean up their mess, Republicans blame the EPA if cleaning it up gets messy

 

Fair enough regarding the personality judgment call. I can see Trump being labelled amoral with most other politicians (both Left and Right) being correctly tagged with the label of immoral.

Ironically there was a saying regarding Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger that the reason they worked well together was because Nixon was immoral and Kissinger was amoral. But the amusement factor in that aside, since they more or less had the same end goals in mind -- albeit for different reasons -- their partnership worked . . . for them anyway.