Is healthcare a "right?"

You pay for those. And you only right to those things is that you get equal treatment if government decides to provide them. You don't have a right to police in your city. Your state government decides to provide public education but they could choose not to and eliminate it from the state constitution which authorizes counties and cities to have public systems.

Sure they can. You have a right to access healthcare from someone willing to provide it to you. But a right as in the government must provide it to you, do they have to provide you a gun or a printing press or a microphone? Feel free to show me where the Constitution says otherwise.

Insults will get you nowhere.

 

Again, I don't see it that way. If I was receiving government health care for nothing and not wanting anyone else to have what I have then yes. That is not the case. I worked for the government benefit I am receiving. It is much like Medicare that people get when they turn 65. They paid into it with money; I paid into the VA with my service. With a new Medicare For All the plan would be to cover those who have contributed little or nothing to the system. Tell me how that is fair to anyone except the guy getting something for nothing?

 

and...

 

I do not have a right to police but I have a right to elect the government to force you to pay for the police.

I do not see the difference between public school system and the public access to health care.
There is nothing unconstitutional for the state to provide health care for all its residents.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase gives three examples of the "inalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all humans by their creator

Health Care = Life

 

Health Care is a priority.
I believe that Obama was elected due to his support for Health Care.
I also believe that Trump was elected due to his support for Health Care.
None of them could accomplish the task, but the trend is obvious, whoever support universal and guaranteed access to health care will be elected.

 

Yep, and I do not have that option, so I am fighting for my health care, and you have no right to judge me.

 

These corporations ar making billions in profits. Th wages are not really going up.The same people that would have gotten something back in taxes or not getting them so they’re really not getting anything but those big corporations that you seem to worship are making bigger and bigger profits and I’m supporting them. I think it’s quite interesting that you’re comparing yourself to billionaires
I don’t have content for the people you have contempt for because what you are doing is implying that they don’t work for what they want and need. I have taught in a very poor neighborhood where parents were two and three jobs at minimum wage but yet you think they shouldn’t get help. You’d rather make sure that the billionaires make even more billions. We just have different values

 

Those are things you in your city or country decide to do, they don't have to because you have right to have government supply them to you.

But you don't have a constitutional right to it.

So what? The DOI is not a binding legal document and can't even be used in court. The CONSTITUTION protects our rights and tells the Federal Government what it has authority to do and provide you health care is not in there.

If there is a health care system you have a right to equal access to it, the government can't prohibit you from using it. Providing it to you is an entirely different matter.

Again you have an expressed right to keep and bear arms. Does that right mean government must provide guns to the poor? You have a right to free speech but that does not mean the government must provide you the platform to exercise it.

And I hope you pursue it, the government should not get in the way as long as you do it legally and it doesn't harm someone else.

 

Oh, you mean they had something to learn about diet???

Well, we better not do THAT then!

 

I think you are wrong. I grew up in a hard core Republican state and was regularly taught about a healthy diet in the 1960s. I can't claim the cafeteria got those classes because we cheered when they made pizza or cinnamon twists. And that education is more intense than ever.

 

And how are you fighting for it? I would assume you are paying into Medicare so there will be that when you are 65. What else are you doing to get health care, other than suggesting the government should provide it?

How was I judging you?

 

What about Medicare do you see as "crappy"?

 

I'm not sure, but you may have agreed with me that the practical education of daily diet is far more intense than anything some k-12 kid is going to get in an occasional book reading session.

I don't rememrber any kids cheering when presented with the fundamentals of a good diet.

And, there is a difference between a couple weeks a year and every single day.

 

I didn't think I did say that. In the post you quoted I referred to "some crappy government run single payer plan". That was giving my opinion on what I think Medicare For All will be like. As for indicating current Medicare as crappy I don't remember saying that. I did mention is another post on health care that I think Medicare could be better. I find it frustrating that a person is forced into the program; forced to pay into it their entire working life and when they turn 65 they are forced to continue paying for it. Then it does not even pay 100% so a person needs to buy supplemental insurance.

 

Yes, I did agree with you on your first point. And of course kids are not going to cheer for broccoli over ice cream. We are fundamentally wired and evolved to crave sugar and fat. Evolution. You have to survive the famine to live on wild grain.

 

In other words you are unable to substantiate your bogus allegation.

Got it!

 

Everyone HAS ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE.

https://www.findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

Plug in your zip code and see.

 

And exactly what does all this have to do with 'is heath care a right'?

 

In other words, you decline to educate yourself on the matter, but will continue on thinking you are actually making a point on the subject.

Carry on, Nigel.

 

Nice try.

When you actually have something to add to the discussion, then let me know.

 

No Michelle needed to learn more about what children will eat at school and let the trained cafeteria nutirionist plan the meals that work at their school.

 

The corporations that I 'seem to worship'? Do you even bother paying attention to whom you are responding, or do you have a bunch of responses prewritten, and just copy and paste them, because you really are so far off it's become rather concerning.
This gets even stranger... where did I 'compare' myself to a corporation? The tax cut was put in place to benefit everybody who pays taxes, why, even you likely would have received a benefit of it. Considering corporations employ a number of people, I have no issue with them getting a benefit from it too. Apparently, you feel the only people who should benefit from it, are the ones who don't contribute to the societal pool. While I have no problem from them benefiting also, they should not be the only ones.

You apparently believe that the only people that should matter are the ones who are having a rough go of it. I believe that everybody that contributes to the societal pool, should benefit from it, not JUST the lower levels. That's where you and I differ. So, if you have a paycheck, then you should be contributing it to those you deem worthy. I'll donate my time and labor to those I deem worthy.

 

Any type of beans. Rice goes well with any type of cooked dry beans.

 

It's about the "commonweal", a long standing social principle. Conservatives believe in social darwinism.

Survival of the fittest?

 

Dodge?