Articles of impeachment.........so far.

Yep. But Ukraine did not know about it. Hard to pressure someone when they don't know that the very thing that is claimed to be pressuring them isn't known about wouldn't you say?

 

Cherry picking and taking things out of context tends to be just that, a smear job.

 

So........you think Ukraine thought they had received the military aid?

Taylor understood what was happening even if you do not.

Ukraine embassy official Bill Taylor on Sept. 9: “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

 

You're trolling me right? Right?

 

How was it taken out of context? Gowdy was complaining that the Obama admin was withholding evidence in an investigation from Congress.

 

No, I thought you were trolling me.

 

Can you show me a time line of when they were supposed to get the aide and that Ukraine knew that time line? Because they obviously didn't considering the text on August 28th.

And the response to Mr. Taylor:

Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks.

Again, why hasn't Mr. Cummings or the Dems in general released ALL of the texts? Why are they cherry picking what to release?

 

I was afraid of that. You seriously do not see how one cannot be pressured when they don't know about the supposed "threat" that is supposed to be pressuring them? If you can't be honest about this then I think that I am done here. Talking to brick walls is not my forte.

 

The excellent staff at AP agree with me, sort of. The AP article says, "WASHINGTON (AP) — The combative White House letter vowing to defy the “illegitimate” impeachment inquiry has actually put President Donald Trump on a more certain path to charges. His refusal to honor subpoenas or allow testimony would likely play into a formal accusation against him.

"The letter sent to House leaders by White House Counsel Pat Cipollone Tuesday evening declared the president would not cooperate with the investigation — a clear reason, Democrats say, to write an article of impeachment charging him with obstruction.

"The White House insists that a formal House vote is necessary just to start the impeachment process. But Democrats are moving ahead without one, confident for now that they are backed by the Constitution and Trump’s own acknowledgements of trying to persuade a foreign government to investigate a political foe."

In a word, desperation, Trump is guilty of breaking federal law and the White House lawyers know it. So, they dance around it with political B.S. The White House asking the House to vote on the impeachment of the President is pure lunacy.

Supporters of Trump have a real problem, and there are more disasters on the horizon for Trump. China has lowered its expectations for progress on trade talks, and Trump surrendered to the Turks with disastrous results. Both are serious national security problems created entirely by Trump along with asking a foreign power to intervene in our Presidential election.

Trump is a walking, talking disaster.

 

Perhaps these links will allay your confusion, perhaps not. One never knows when facts will clarify a Trump supporter's understanding of reality, and when they will be rejected due to a conflict with what they are being told by the prez's impressive spin machine.

"But by the time Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky got on the now infamous July 25 call with Trump, that aid had yet to be sent. It’s therefore no surprise Zelensky mentioned the assistance to Trump, to which Trump responded he’d like Zelensky to do him a “favor” in return: investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son.

It certainly seems like a quid pro quo was pretty clearly implied: You want your aid? Help me dig up dirt on my 2020 political rival."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower

"Another explanation Trump has been giving for blocking the Ukraine assistance is his view that European allies are not contributing enough to that aid. "Europe and other nations [must] contribute to Ukraine," he told reporters at the U.N. on Tuesday. "Because they're not doing it. Just the United States. We're putting up the bulk of the money."

Eight European embassies in Washington contacted by NPR on Wednesday reported no attempts by the Trump administration over the summer to increase their contributions to Ukraine. "There was no effort at all," said a senior official at the German Embassy, who requested anonymity to speak freely. "The topic was not brought up at all at recent meetings we've had."
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/7644...ertion-on-delaying-aid-to-ukraine-over-corrup

 

It is the DUTY of the President to protect our national interest and foreign policy from corruption and misuse of taxpayer dollars being sent to foreign countries. And NOTHING has been debunked about Hunter Biden and in fact it gets worse everyday as in the new records showing he was being hand over $160,000 a month for a sham position on a board of directors. And then the picture of he and Joe playing golf with the Ukraine oligarchs when Joe claims he had nothing to do with Hunters business they never talked about it, father and so, and he was clueless. And we now know Ukraine had begun a new investigation long before the phone call. There has NOT been an investigation and we need one under a Special Counsel to get to the bottom of it.
You guys had no problem investigating candidate Trump when there was not even reasonable suspicion. We have hard facts here and Joe's own bragging about it.

 

No I'm not mistaken Mueller did not have to go to court to get any testimony or document requested, it was wide open for him. That as opposed to Clinton. And Don Jr. that was with Congress where he had testified over and over and over.

 

The the HOUSE should vote to start one instead of abusing their power to effect the election.

 

All conversations between foreign leaders are classified and confidential and yes whether or not Ukraine can be a trusted ally and help fight corruption and or aid send for military assistance is a national security matter.

 

Causing a national security threat to our country and causing the deaths of countless persons can be construed as high crimes by the House and Senate, using the generic definition of the term "crime." That is exactly what Trump has done.

Many will die as a direct result of Trump's decision to order a retreat of American troops from northern Syria, giving Turkey a green light to annihilate the Kurds whom they regard as terrorists. His decision caused a national security threat for our country, and poses serious problems for the Western democracies, not to mention the betrayal of a valuable American ally that had destroyed the ISIS caliphate.

How could an American President do this? I really don't know. Trump acts more like a Russian puppet than an American President.

While countless people are dying in northern Syria because of his decision to surrender to the Turks, this American President held a news conference today. I was watching Fox News when Trump approached the podium after smooching with a baby in the arms of someone in the audience behind him.

Trump droned on with poltical B.S., talking about trading agreements he signed or will sign, introducing other politicians in the room and praising them for something or other. This went on for about fifteen minutes and then Fox caught him off and returned to important matters before us today.

Imagine that, Fox cut off the President.

Before Fox cut Trump off, I watched in amazement as this sociopath droned on about the most mundane of matters as a tragedy was unfolding in Syria, a tragedy of his making. Trump simply didn't care.

He did not even attempt to justify his decision. Most likely because he could not. So, he simply ignored the problem he created and the lives lost as a consequence.

To further illustrate his sociopathy, Trump said this in a statement"The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea."

A bad idea? The extreme reduction of the gravity of the situation is noted. Trump simply didn't care and that is the definition of a sociopath.

Speaking to reporters at the White House hours later, Trump further illustrated his mental defect. Trump was asked about the 10,000 ISIS fighters who are likely to escape when their Kurdish guards are ordered to the front to confront the Turks. Trump's answer is classic sociopathy.

Well, they are going to be escaping to Europe, that's where they want to go. They want to go back to their homes. But Europe didn't want them for months. They could have had trials, they could have done whatever they wanted, but as usual, it's not reciprocal. ... When President Obama took the PKK, that's a tough deal because that's been a mortal enemy of Turkey. And so when you bring them into a partnership, it's a tough situation. ... They've hated each other for many, many years.

Note in his blithely stated rambling answer he brings up the PKK, or Kurdistan Workers's Party, and Obama. Did Trump get confused? Did he confuse ISIS terrorists with the Kurds? Is he somehow blaming Obama if the ISIS terrorists are allowed to escape?

No one knows, but Trump might have other mental problems besides his sociopathy. It sounds like he is losing his mind.

 

It is unprecedented for the WH to put transcripts of calls not pertaining to national security in a code level secure server. We know from the WB complaint why it was being done for calls Trump made. Some things said on the calls or conversations were politically damaging. Like the Grifter-in-Chief telling Sergey Lavrov Don was not concerned with Russia having meddled in our election.

Senate Intel report warns Russia's 2016 playbook offers roadmap for 2020 election meddling
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate...nterference-offers-roadmap-for-2020-meddling/

Washington — A report released Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee warns that the Kremlin-backed information warfare efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election could evolve, intensify and inspire other actors to make similar attempts in 2020.

The partially redacted, 85-page report is the product of two years of bipartisan, staff-led efforts, and offers a comprehensive look at Russian operatives' activity surrounding the 2016 elections.

 

No it's not unprecidented it's been done since previous conversations were leaked you're . And the Zelinsky confirmed again yesterday there was no blackmail, no threats, no quid pro quo and the transfript is accurate.

 

Oh yes. Going to enjoy watching the Left-wing Legacy media once more having to eat their own words when this finally dies.

They have nothing. Been trying ever since he got elected. Grasping at straws constantly will only make you look like delusional moron.

2020 is going to be beautiful.

 

It is unprecedented based on the actions of prior admins and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Saying it isn't because the Trump admin previously tried to hide transcripts in a code level secure server doesn't prove your point.

 

Oh move the goal post now. What previous administrations had deep state operatives leaking such conversations? The Trump administration took appropriate measures to protect those classified transcripts PERIOD, END OF STORY.

 

that is top secret and classified intel, you cannot lawfully leak that on a public forum without being subject to arrest

 

why didn't the republicans decline the race card and properly criticise or vet obama?

 

Trump wants the full House to vote on impeachment so he can find out how the representatives voted on the subject.

(CNN)Democratic Rep. John Garamendi of California on Wednesday said it's time for the House of Representatives to hold a formal, full chamber vote on opening an impeachment inquiry -- a move that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has so far resisted.

Why is Garamendi siding with Trump? Why is Garamendi urging the House leadership to do exactly what Trump wants them to do?

Is he so naive on the issue that he doesn't know that the House leadership is protecting the freshmen Democrats who were elected in districts won by Trump in 2016 and have an overwhelming Republican majority? Those are the very representatives who gave the Democrats the majority in the House. The House leadership is also protecting Republican representatives leaning toward an impeachment inquiry.

 

Give me an example of something that was leaked having national security implications. You know the decision to put these transcripts in a highly secure server had NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY and EVERYTHING TO DO WITH KEEPING POLITICALLY EMBARRASSING INFO a secret.

"Experts are homing in on allegations that the White House used a computer system meant for highly classified information to store details of President Donald Trump’s calls with foreign leaders, in what they described as a stark departure from how the server is normally used and how memos of the president’s exchanges are typically handled."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/26/trump-lockdown-transcript-1514714

 

Go look up your own things I am not your research agent. We know two classified conversations between our President and a foreign head of state were ILLEGALLY leaked. That is ALL I need to know and ALL I need to show. The persons in charge of security, quite properly, started placing such transcripts in more secure places. It is the complainer who got it wrong trying to intimate that that was special just for this conversation and that's how it came out until it was stated by the WH this has been done since the first leaks.

That is ALL that matters and this is a moot issue.