Russia Releases Damning Evidence Of The U.S. Smuggling Syrian Oil

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Trump is just lying. Don't tell me you're surprised.

    I wonder WHO is extracting this oil that Trump is supposedly guarding?
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

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    I am surprised by all this discussion about the "oil" in Syria. The story of what actually motivated certain figures to direct Trump's attention to this "oil", and what their real agenda was, was already covered in news accounts which forecast Trump's decision to pull some US troops to guard these oil fields. While American foreign policy certainly has an underlying economic component, that economic component is a lot more complicated than Trump's simplistic, business-minded, transactional understanding and approach. The actual economic component behind American foreign policy has been to maintain hegemonic control over the global economic system (underpinned by the US dollar as the currency of trade) and material resources that feed into it (including the global oil supplies). Trump, on the other hand, has a very different, more transaction oriented, view of this economic calculus.

    Ultimately, several things motivate Trump. Among them, his instincts on what sells to his base (a base that can be described as 'white nationalists' allied with Christian evangelical Zionists who, in alliance with the pro Israel lobby, are drivers behind the Iran obsession in Trump's foreign policy), his own business contacts and connections to Russian (often Russian-Israeli) mafia figures and oligarchs. And, finally, his transaction view of economics and politics.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/graham-fox-news-star-showed-trump-map-change-his-mind-n1069901
    Graham and Fox News expert showed Trump a map to change his mind about Syria withdrawal
    It wasn't the first time Trump has been shown a map detailing economic assets to convince him not to order U.S. troops home, officials said.
     
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    Then Graham and Fox played Trump for a fool.

    Meanwhile,

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  4. Tofiks

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    1. Why NATO should tell Americans, to get out of Syria?
    2. Which one from American "top peoples" told, that Russia should get out of Chechnia? US always admitted that Chechnia is part of the Russian Federation, so it is hard to imagine, that this kind of demands come from US officials. Or you mean some actors or musicians?

    And where exactly are the similarities between the occupation and annexation of Crimeria and US campaign in Syria?
     
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    Since when actors or musicians became top people? Are you talking about Zelensky?


    • McCain says acting Russian President Vladimir Putin should be urged to end the conflict with Chechen militants under threat of sanctions, as issue he would talk about “every day” as president. “I’d state unequivocally that there would be no more US Export-Import Bank loans, that the US would not support any further IMF funding until this thing is brought to some kind of reasonable conclusion,” he said.
    He said that while Russians were fighting the ISIS - the international rebels. Oh, and if you don't know, Americans or Bush administration were training some of those rebels near the boarder of Russia. And when Putin asked Bush to stop training them, Bush declined.

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    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me Twice, shame on me"?
    The bi-line for this story is Yahoo News. That is the same outfit that pushed the bogus Steele Dossier which consisted of Russian misinformation in 2016.

    Now someone is quoting more Russian Information?

    Have you every heard the adage--

    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"?

    How gullible are Trump Haters?

    Sheesh.
     
  7. Iranian Monitor

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    At your old age, I would have hoped you would have understood by now that anyone who places too much value on the 'material' world is a fool!

    To understand my own personal philosophy and bias on the issues we discuss, let me explain that here. See if you can keep your mind alert enough to follow the argument.

    In the evolutionary process of human development, what distinguished human beings from other animals that had learned to pack together for survival, was that human beings -- besides having higher intelligence to pursue the same or similar instincts that you will find in other animals such as (among other things) survival, control, and procreation -- also developed a yearning for the "truth". In my philosophy, the truth is like an invisible light towards which more advanced human beings are drawn to.

    The "truth", in this conception, is different from the 'material world". In more modern, scientific parlance, it is similar to the (misnamed) "dark matter" and "dark energy" which is invisible and unknowable (at least for now) that is separate from the material world but which we know exists due to various scientific reasons.

    This yearning for the "truth" also is the only true guide and symbol of the 'spiritual' (meaning something that stands above and more important than the material world). It exists in human beings and is both helped and hindered by the material instincts which exists in us otherwise. (The same way the Big Bang theory of the universe and how it was created and organized is both helped and hindered by the material and other forces ("dark energy") not understood but known to exist). This process of conflict, evolution and synthesis of these opposing forces is amenable to simplistic description as a cosmic battle between the forces of 'good and evil', as presented in ancient Iranian ideologies. A struggle between 'truth' and 'falsehood'. Light and darkness.

    The yearning for "truth" is helped to the extent that material advancements in human society pave the way for a better understanding of the "truth" as is the case with scientific progress and the material requirements for such progress to continue its march towards finding the "truth". It is hindered to the extent that the material instincts to "control", "procreate" and "survive" lead to the development of dogmatic (as opposed to flexible) myths that retard the search for "truth" or when rampant materialism develops habits (akin to addiction) which guide people away from an interest in the "truth" and towards simple, material, self aggrandizement or over-emphasizing material selfishness. Indeed, as hinted by Iran's own Islamic tradition, reflected both in its underlying sufi traditions, its poetry, literature and philosophy, as well as even in its Shia Jaffari Usuli school of Islamic jurisprudence, the material world is somewhat itself like a "myth". The essence of the the "truth" (the essence) lies outside of the forms it takes in this material world.

    In terms of what I have named the Quest for Truth elsewhere, the most powerful tool provided to human beings through our evolutionary development (besides and except the inner instinct that yearns to learn the truth -- which to me is synonymous with the "love of God" in Iran's Sufi tradition reflected in the teachings of people like Rumi) is the faculty of reasoning. As Irano-Islamic scholars long before Descrates had discovered, however, 'reasoning" and "rational thought" doesn't take you far in terms of actually reaching the truth. Instead, such reasoning can primarily help in striking down falsehoods, while paving the way for more enlightened and less dogmatic 'myths' to replace old ones in this (itself evolutionary) quest for the 'truth'. (Wahhabi ideology, on the other hand, primarily motivated as a movement against the Arabs being sidelined by Persianate thought and practices, takes the lessons from the Persian Islamic scholar Ghazali only to strike down reason and intellectualism as a means to revert to dogma and scripture).

    Western enlightenment and the growth of scientific learning in the West is a force for good as it helps in the Quest for the Truth. That aspect of it is entirely consistent with every strain in Iranian ideology, which is why even in the "Islamic Republic of Iran", the sciences (including evolution) is taught without any interference by religious dogma. Wahhabi ideology, on the other hand, like all dogmatic ideologies such as in their Christian counterparts, has problems with scientific learning if it contradicts any received dogma found in scripture or anything else that forms that dogma. Wahhabi ideology, while sharing with Iranian Sufi Islamic tradition, a disdain for the material corruption, is ultimately materialistic but just in a simplistic sense. In Iranian ideology, the material is part of life, an important part in the evolution of life, but it is not the "God" to worship.

    I am against Westernization (while I cherish enlightenment and science and the Quest for Truth advanced by aspects of Western Civilization) to the extent Westernization as practiced in the ME teaches dogmatic, copy-cat, behavior instead of intellectual thinking, while erecting the human self and selfishness as the thing to cherish above all. Westernization in the ME basically teaches human beings to become like domesticated pets, focused on the material things, happy to get their treat.

    I am also against those aspects of Western civilization that have misunderstood the story of human evolution and (giving into the instinct to control) have been aggressively imperialistic and even racist. (Unlike Gobineau, I believe that the rise of civilization itself was the product of mixing of races and beliefs, not their isolation. The true Aryans (Iranians) were a mixed race themselves. Same with what are called proto-Indo-Europeans who spread their languages to Europe, Iran and northern India. The Nordics (represented by the Saka or Scythians) were savages, even if intelligent and physically strong. Elsewhere in the Middle East and Asia, you also had a fusion of races (Afro-Asiatic) give rise to the different Semitic languages and myths and mythology). But while human civilization was actually built on much of the Semitic civilizations in the ancient ME, the Abrahamic mythology and historiography that took over the ideologies of Christiandom and Islam to me is inferior to the Iranian mythology of the Shahnameh both in in the ethical values it teaches as well as in how close it gets to describing the 'truth' through the mythical allegories of the material world).

    I am, of course, also against Wahhabi Islam regardless of its permutations. While I am not religious in the scriptural sense at all, among the brands of Islam out there, Wahhabi Islam basically stands against almost everything I believe. (The almost because in some ways, true puritanical Islam would be egalitarian in outlook and approach and that aspect of it was liberating of many classes of people, allowing them to also partake better in the story of human evolution).
     
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  8. ttrryosbornsnobolean

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    If you are so opposed to things Western and Material, why don't you dig for oil instead of using western drilling?
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

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    You don't understand anything I wrote.
     
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    That is a non-response. Show us your contempt for the west and get out a shovel.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

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    Read my post again, carefully, as I believe you will find my answer there already. If you have a particular question you want to raise, or a particular objection, let me know. But I am definitely in favor of anything that helps the Quest for Truth, including the rise of 'enlightenment' in Western civilization and the advancement of science. Nor am I even anti-materialistic. The material is part of the evolutionary world and struggle in my conception of things. It is not, however, the be all and end all of everything.

    Just read carefully all of what I wrote and if you have any questions, let me know.
     
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    Probably more gullible than Trump supporters, but it's close.

    Having been brainwashed for decades, most americans are gullible. At least thoroughly brainwashed and incapable of independent thought.
     

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