Trump flips out after Fox’s Chris Wallace tells him Joe Biden doesn’t support defunding police

Straw man

why use yesterdays technology?

 

Biden said that he would redirect police funding . . . which is leftist double talk for Defund the Police. Wallace long ago became a RINO and has lost all credibility as he now routinely bends over and grabs his ankles for the pleasure of the Democratic National Committee.

 

Actually this is less about Biden than Trumps inappropriate reaction

 

Post 11.

Someone claimed booman said biden called for defunding the police. That was clearly not the case. In that post the call to defund the police was from a campaign staffer. It's clearly in the link he posted.

 

Wrong. The military authorized it. Democrats stopped it. Democrats hate national security

 

So did it ever happen?

 

How about this

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-some-funding-should-absolutely-be-redirected-from-police

 

Wrong they want the funds to go to rebuilding things in the community like buildings

 

You are a great dancer. Have you ever addressed a post directly?

 

The military authorised what? Money was taken from the Pentagon and given to homeland security. Trump defunded the military.

 

And so, in right wing speak, not wanting police to act militaristic is 'soft policing', no, we just want cops to be cops, nothing more, nothing less, and for cops to knock it off with shooting unarmed blacks (or unarmed anybody, for that matter), is that 'soft' ? Gawd help us if that is true.

 

Unarmed doesn't mean not dangerous, but we both knew that. We also knew that there've only been 9 such encounters by blacks with the police thus far in 2020(and there wasn't that many in 2019 or 2018.)

 

It's hardly an accurate characterization, but to be fair, I'm going to put forth two views, one on my side, another on yours:

Professor of Law Francine Lipman writes that the belief that illegal migrants are exploiting the US economy and that they cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false". Lipman asserts that "illegal immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs." Wikipedia entry derived from, J. Lipman, Francine, J. (Spring 2006). "Taxing illegal Immigrants: Separate, Unequal and Without Representation". The Tax Lawyer. SSRN 881584

However, supporting your view that illegal immigrants cost the America Taxpayer, let's scrutinize this summary from the Congressional Budget Office"

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf

Recent estimates indicate that annual costs for unauthorized immigrants in Colorado were between $217 million and $225 million for education, Medicaid, and corrections. By comparison, taxes collected from unauthorized immigrants at both the state and local levels amounted to an estimated $159 million to $194 million annually.

But, these are estimates, not statements of facts. But, let's assume they are in the ballpark. Okay, So, doing some math, we see, according to the CBO, the net cost to taxpayers in Colorado is between $31 million to $58 million. Even if we extrapolate that to all the states that they reside in this is a still a drop in the bucket compared to a trillion dollar annual budget, and, as Law Professor Francine Lipman writes, "they contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."

the 'cost' doesn't tell the whole story.

See, without these 'illegal immigrants' believe it or not, farmers across America, both blue and red states, would have a very tough time getting produce to market, so even if we side with the CBO and not the Lipman essay, we still are ahead with their overall productivity benefit with our food, our hotels, and basic service in jobs the occupy which most Americans do not want. In short, the right wing nationalist movement creates a boogeyman that history refutes, and refutes, utterly. Does that mean I am for 'illegal immigration', most assuredly not, but at the same time, this idea we should round 'em all up and send them back to the countries they came from, that just isnt' feasible, either. some other solution must be worked out, owing to reality.

 

Biden on video saying he 'absolutely' wants to redirect funding from police.

https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-m...-biden-does-want-to-defund-the-police-n659844

For context:
"Here's what's behind the movement to defund the police.

What does it mean to defund the police?
In one sense, the movement to defund the police is quite simple: It means taking funding away from police forces across the country. In many cases, a city's or county's legislators allocate money in yearly budgets to fund police departments. Defunding the police is just that literal.

The larger push to defund the police is about more than taking money away. It's a push to reallocate those funds into social programs."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...n-george-floyd-black-lives-matter/5317240002/

Explain to me how this equates to Trump lying? If 'defund' means 'reallocate funds' then is 'reallocate' different from 'redirect'? Because Trump said Biden wants to 'defund', which means reallocate, and Biden actually wants to 'redirect funding', according to his own words.

Are we trying to split atoms here or what?

 

Okay, we are agreed then. Trump defunded the US Military. Okay?

 

Absolutely. I hope he defunds the military more (just not totally). If we can pull out of the middle east, I think that would defund the military to an acceptable degree.

Can we agree Trump isn't lying about Biden, and Chris Matthews either is lying or is grossly uninformed on the issue?

 

Its kinda funny how many folks don't even know what Biden actually said and just assume Trump must be lying.

...almost like no one is even paying attention to Biden XD

 

Look at the media sources. If they google it or "fact check" it, or watch the wallace interview-what do they "know" as a result.

 

I'm aware of their economic contributions. Illegal's working is basically the slavery question of the 21st century. And the major dispute is that the Left sees them entirely as the African-Americans were, whereas the "right"(I hate that word since we Nationalists are mostly independent and conservatives are cowards and technically don't care as much.) might be open for some compromise, but generally we don't see them as citizens due to the leeching effect.

Simply, the Simpson bill failed. And it failed because it didn't give real teeth to enforcement mechanisms and illegal immigration actually quadripled in the time. Thus even for conservatives a new Simpson becomes incredibly hard to swallow.

Further, you create a fallacy of your own that needs to be debunked. https://cuesa.org/learn/how-far-does-your-food-travel-get-your-plate

This talks about the distance of food, between importing it from other nations and actually growing our own crops here at home and the distance plays a huge factor. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...e-closest-hospital-differs-by-community-type/

And this talks about how each community differs in distance from the hospital. To be utterly blunt, there's a substantial distance from the city(where most citizens have congregated especially in the Northeast, Northwest and mid-atlantic areas) and the farms. Industrialization has essentially made it impossible for a city worker to work in a farm.(If the distance weren't bad enough, who in a school setting is groomed for or even thought about being a farmer.)


https://time.com/5736789/small-american-farmers-debt-crisis-extinction/

Not only do we outsource our workers, we outsource our food. And the end result of this is that the South is weak, the union is weak and now we're at a situation where we justify the permanent necessity to do this, because of our ever-weakening structure.

World history will pen that Northern industrialists were absolutely crappy colonists. Instead of expansion to benefit the States, our expansion has weakened the States. And it may be that we're so far gone, that self independence and self growth might be too tall of a task. But even so, we should fight for our independence because slavery to a Chinese State, or any other State is impermissible.
Even if we've lost 99% of why we fought the revolutionary war to begin with, a complete and total collapse of the American system means that we can rule over this "merchant State" however we'd want and it doesn't matter.

I was born in the North(Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) so I feel that makes me uniquely qualified to call out the other Northerners who make up the hub of liberal/democratic policies and politics and thereby a mainstream of the nation. They've led us all to ruin! And no, it's not the hillbilly racists who've led us to ruin(the dream of them dying out, as these articles pen is coming closer to fruition every day) but I hope these articles show that whether they die or not, the policies that we've enabled will destroy the American nation-state.

 

So then you agree that the claim that Biden wants to defund and abolish the police is dishonest?

I’m trying to better understand your point, because your post comes off as an attempt to rationalize the former claim as being truthful, when it isn’t

 

I disagree. Trump did not 'defund' the Military at all. Resources were redirected from the military to build his crap Wall, actually redirected as opposed to a theoretical. Biden never said he would defund Cops. He did say he would re-direct some Cop budget resources. Down here, the words are totally different. 'Defund' means take away ALL funds, and NOT merely re-direct some.

 

Indeed. These people are desperate to distract from trump’s deplorable character and actions.
By their metric, trump defunded the Air Force when he created the Space Force. Let’s not argue their agenda and keep the focus on trump.

 

Exactly. They are just trying to scare ignorant whites into thinking that the police will disappear and the coloreds will run amok.
We need to reform law enforcement to deal with the diversity of problems cops face on a daily basis, and also root out corrupt and rogue cops.

 

No, Trump added to it and space exploration was increasingly more and more becoming a foreign policy initiative even before Trump.
And we're not the only nation in the pursuit of space advantages(i for one am both eager and scared to see how far we can take it. Sci-fi has depicted some pretty powerful weaponry that if reproduced, it'd be the 21st century nukes.)

 

Lol...it’s almost like you think every word uttered during a campaign is written in stone.
We all know that people will be saying all sorts of things in this election, and that trump will lie his ass off as usual, but let’s never lose sight of the goal.
The country needs to get rid of the most unfit potus in history before he destroys our country. Anything else is a distraction.
I hope that people have learned that trump lacks the character to be our leader.