Are Democrats turning into fascists?

You sound like someone with a real conviction about Obama. Do you recall early in Obama's first year, he visited the Congress to try & bridge the differences with Republicans there, & he was assaulted by Republicans in such a rude & disrespectful manner, he left feeling there was no hope with them? I do. It's funny how when someone forms a deep hatred of someone, how that hatred can blind them to the positive aspects of the person they hate. Sounds like with Obama, you're there. Sorry for you.

 

I don't hate anyone. I prayed for Obama to have wisdom and guidance, just like all of our leaders Unfortunately, he was a disaster for America, but leaders are chosen by a higher power for reasons we may not understand.

If you dig below the headline Hail Mary's about Obama from mainstream media, you may find that you don't really know much about the man.

 

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1. You are correct on this point. It really started in 1994, & has gotten progressively worse since. But Trump hasn't helped matters either.
2. OK. First, Abandoning our allies, the Kurds, in Syria, & allowing not only the slaughter of Kurds by the Turks, but also inviting the Russians to move in & confiscate the abandoned bases we left behind. Second, Treating every Latin American trying to immigrate to the U.S. as a felon, including infants, & incarcerating them, separating children & infants from their mothers for extended periods of time, & not keeping the records necessary for reuniting them afterward--creating orphans with no place to go here & no way to reunite with their families. This is a form of torture, & has been ID'd as such by the UN. Up until Trump, the U.S. has been a country that could always be depended upon to stand for human rights around the world. Not under Trump. Third, Trump has severly damaged the functionality & viability of a large number of important governmental agencies & institutions in a varied number of ways. The CDC, the FBI, the NSA, the EPA, are only the tip of the iceberg. Trump seems to have come into office with the intent of crippling or killing as much of our functional government as he could. Fourth, Trump has insulted our allies & kowtowed to our adversaries, for reasons that no one understands except him. He has removed the U.S. from the list of world leader countries, & severely damaged relationships with friends we've had for generations. He has left us standing alone, isolated & ignored after 7 decades of world leadership before him. Fifthly, Trump continues his ever present campaign to divide us as Americans, white from darker skinned; red from blue; Democrat from Republican; liberal from conservative; gay from straight; men from women; & every other way he can devise. Sixth, he has become the first President in history to reject the idea of leaving office peacefully if he loses the election. Seventh, he continues to attack our elections system, especially the mail-in ballots, calling them untrustworthy, even after decades of use with no sustainable examples of gross failure anywhere, anytime. This is having a huge impact on public trust of their own democracy. That's very damaging to our populace, who should be encouraged rather than discouraged in their belief & support for their democracy. Given enough time, I could go on & on.
3. Trump is a businessman, who thinks government should respond to his personal dictates like a business to a CEO. But the purposes of a business & government are entirely different. Business work to make profits for owners. Government works to provide services to the general population, without profit. Their duties are different & the way they function are different. Neither Trump nor Republicans, nor conservatives in general seem to understand this.
4. We would be just as close to a vaccine under Biden, but much better off in the statistics of infections & deaths from Covid right now. Biden & Harris have repeatedly voiced their strong support for vaccines. You're listening to the wrong newcasters.

 

Interesting commentary. Why do you feel so negatively against Obama? I felt he was both impressively intelligent & compassionate.

 

So you liked his compassion about getting in back of the bus?
His pen and a phone?

 

Smith's 'Wealth of Nations' was published in 1776.

Marx (and Engels) 'Communist Manifesto' was published in 1848 ie when the Industrial Revolution was in full swing.

Smith's ideas were already inadequate to deal with conditions of workers in factories and mines, in contrast to the previous craft guilds and mercantilism in pre IR times.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in...e history of all hitherto existing society is

"On February 21, 1848, The Communist Manifesto, written by Karl Marx with the assistance of Friedrich Engels, is published in London by a group of German-born revolutionary socialists known as the Communist League. The political pamphlet–arguably the most influential in history–proclaimed that “the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles” and that the inevitable victory of the proletariat, or working class, would put an end to class society forever."

Obviously Marx completely by-passed Smith with 'Das Kapital':

"Volume I (1867) is a critical analysis of political economy, meant to reveal the contradictions of the capitalist mode of production, how it was the precursor of the socialist mode of production and of the class struggle rooted in the capitalist social relations of production".

 

That's not a debate.

1. What do you refute in the bloomberg article which plainly shows you misrepresent the facts around Trump's 'upside-down' bible event?

2. What do you refute re Marcion's rejection of the OT, BECAUSE of its portrayal of the genocidal bronze age hebrew god who was not concerned with peace, during the 2 centuries of genocide and conflict of the Hebrew exodus from Egypt until the conquest of Jerusalem in the 'Promised Land'?

Admittedly, "uneducated rednecks" seem to wear their ignorance, and denial of facts (in the bloomberg article) as a badge of honour....

 

What you are waiting for is not the point. You posted a video in which the narrator posits Gentile's evolution from Socialism to Fascism. I pointed out the error in the narrator's story, namely Marx's appeal to a working class oppressed by a capitalist class within a nation is NOT identical with Gentile's appeal to nationalism involving all sectors of any one nation, later adopted by Hitler and Mussolini following WW1. Therefore fascism is not identical with socialism.

You have not presented your counter argument.

Thanks for the reference to Diogenes.

"Diogenes ..... moved to Athens and criticized many cultural conventions of the city. He modelled himself on the example of Heracles, and believed that virtue was better revealed in action than in theory."

Indeed, but is it virtuous of a wealthy community to maintain ghettos in its midst? (given that we are all in this together...if peace is to reign...)

 

I located post #261 once you shouted out, hey look at me.

I had not replied due to the fact it was completely unknown to me.
But I have the habit of desiring solid and excellent refutals. When I See one, I will know it by it's light. I see a lot of Democrats posts that are just intended to deceive.[/QUOTE]

Addressed in my post # 385 ("shouting out" again..)

 

"Karl Marx was born in 1818 in Trier, Prussia; he was the oldest surviving boy in a family of nine children. Both of his parents were Jewish, and descended from a long line of rabbis, but his father, a lawyer, converted to Lutheranism in 1816 due to contemporary laws barring Jews from higher society."

A privileged rich kid?

But that's beside the point anyway; and you CAN be sure Marx's whole project was based on his desire to analyze the deplorable conditions of workers in the rapidly-advancing Industrial Revolution.

 

The old try to disarm my comments by acting as if we are on the same topic.

If you recall what Gentile did, he fathered Fascism. I know that Dinesh D'Souza impressed you since you appear to be trying to quote him yet acting like I am the author of his words. Gentile as I recall used to be a socialist. Seldom will the apple fall that far from the native tree.

In my case to change from being a true Democrat to a converted Republican, it took several years of diligent study. Nobody could have changed me at that time. I had to change myself. I suspect Gentile did the same thing to convert from Socialist to Fascist.

I will let you and Dinesh slug this one out.

Perhaps I can get more data to inform you more about Fascism. As to socialism, we both understand that is not fascism.

 

There is no freedom in poverty amidst plenty.

"You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones...": DJ Trump, commenting on the inner city ghettos.

In fact it seems the whole nation is in danger of turning into a war zone......

 

Diogenes off topic? YOU mentioned him to avoid debate...

Google tells me Dinesh D'Souza is a far right Indian American (not American Indian...

No I am not trying to quote him.

Look, the problem is that, in order to implement a just allocation of resources - the socialist Marxist goal -
government MUST intervene in the market.

The manner by which this intervention is achieved is still being sought....regardless of past efforts as with Leninist Communism, Nazi fascism, or in the present by "socialism with Chinese characteristic" (which include the right to own private businesses trading in open markets).

The fact is humans will always be seeking "a just allocation of resources" because it's the ...just... thing to do.

So you will have to live with the Left (however deluded as to process they are...). Your appeal to "freedom" won't hold water.

Yes, but see above. Your appeal to "freedom" is not and cannot be the end of the matter.

OK, but both of you have abandoned the Left ideal, which is an economy that works for all.

He's on the far right... and though politics certainly does make strange bed-fellows at times, I will leave a study of how he and I have come to same conclusion (at least in your estimation) to a later time.

Apparently Mussolini was an accomplished violinist. In another age he might have flourished as a leader.

The question is: is force really required, to establish an economy that works for all?

 

My defintions:

Social justice is above-poverty participation by all, or a 'just' allocation of resources, in the midst of plenty.

Equity is...What?

Equality of outcome? Equality of opportunity? Equality before the law? Or just plain justice (as defined by law...)/

Over to you.

 

Thanks for your 'view of Obama, from the Right'.

From the Left (my view at least):

Before his election, Obama was a great orator, capable of attracting huge crowds all around the world with his optimistic "YES WE CAN" slogan.

But faced with governing in the immediate aftermath of the GFC, his ignorance of economics left him at the mercy of neoliberal economic advisors , and so even with control of congress and the WH, he succumbed to economic orthodoxy which insisted the US government did not have the fiscal capacity to deal with the crisis if it was to avoid burdensome public debt.

So disaster ensued, people were forced out of their homes, with the result that Obama lost control of congress, who then proceeded to force their silly 'low tax low, spending' ideology on Obama.

[Fortunately the next incumbent of the WH will face a congress which is more ready to authorize a covid-rescue cheque for $2 trillion or more, regardless of debt and deficit concerns]

Largely due to the GFC; the disadvantaged - including blacks - always suffer the most in recessions.

I recall seeing (on TV) black people pleading with Obama to help them, but as I said, he was forced by the system to endure the usual slow progression out of recession. with the usual extended period of high un/underemployment.

So yes Obama got Trump elected, but it is the fault of the system, rather than deliberate action by Obama.

 

Mary Trump has given us a pretty good insight into her uncle, so you can understand why some people might express disgust at the prospect of Trump for 4 more years.

OTOH, the self-interested basal ganglia driven Right admire his methods, since they like the 'law and order' method of dealing with entrenched poverty. Doesn't require intelligent analysis of the long-term problems to be solved.

 

So, the miners and other workers fare better in the USSR?
How did the Communists handle labor strikes?

In fact, Adam Smith and the US Founders were very opposed to monopolies.

 

Yeah I am a dumb ass redneck, I am unemployed uneducated

 

I am a poor white boy who ****s my sister

 

**** you..

We won

 

You lost me. What are you referring to?

 

No, only the DP ruled urban hell holes are at risk. When AntiFa/BLM tried to invade the residential streets of Beverly Hills the local police instantly dispersed them with foam balls and a little tear gas.

 

Generally I am told by Democrats that having money makes us greedy and that money is not their god. Yet they want more of it so why is that?

 

You from England or Canada?