Are Democrats turning into fascists?

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  1. Have at it

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    Having money leads to Repubs getting legislation passed designed to make the tax code more complicated (see corporate loopholes) and less progressive.
     
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    What?
     
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    I counted up how many times since 1933 that the Senate has been either party.
    62 years for Democrats. 25 years for Republicans. Given the enormous advantage to Democrats, why aren't things now perfect?

    Democrats own the tax laws of this country. When Republicans manage to cut back laws, Democrats show up to whine as if they got shot at.
     
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    I am as well. LMAO
     
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    It's cold as hell
     
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    Marx faced the injustices of the ancient class structure in Europe, which led to the lack of decent conditions for workers (eg, children working in mines instead of going to school, to support their families).
    Smith's "invisible hand" musings apply to an earlier age of craft guilds.

    The US Founders had just taken possession of an entire 'unoccupied' continent, and faced vastly different circumstances to the workers crowding into factories and mines of England in the early 19th century.
     
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    Your own words
    , mind you. Hence the quotation marks in my post.

    And you have abandoned the debate as well....
     
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    "DP ruled urban hell holes" are indeed a disgrace in the world's "richest" economy.

    Meanwhile, at the White House, more security fencing is being erected:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...-protective-fences-boards-erected/ar-BB1aBO6x

    "The barrier will be similar to the one erected during this summer's protests against police brutality and systemic racial inequality, which saw demonstrations—and police brutality against peaceful marchers—within sight of the White House".

    Your Conservative 'freedom' meme is being revealed as a hollow sham, as the seat of the democracy is sealed off from the nation.
     
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    Every business owning Proggy I know is as ardent a capitalist as any Rightist. Not ONE of them is reluctant to make as much money as possible. Not one.

    They're the biggest fakes alive.
     
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    Yes we are on the same track.
     
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    Love of money is indeed "the root of all evil".

    "In Christian tradition, the love of money is condemned as a sin primarily based on texts such as Ecclesiastes 5:10 and 1 Timothy 6:10."


    But what the Left wants is a sufficient allocation of resources, in an economy that works for all. How hard is that to understand?

    And the best way to achieve that is by implementation of universal above-poverty participation in the economy, with government acting as employer of last resort.
     
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    There is a over 200 year history of fences and stone walls around the white house.
    https://www.whitehousehistory.org/press-room/press-timelines/history-of-the-white-house-fence
     
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    The police never are brutal to peaceful protestors.
     
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    What you suggest guts the human soul and turns a man who is willing to work into a man who dares not work.
     
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    Are you saying because you are a Christian, yadda yadda?

    The so called left believes this nation is full of shirkers who refuse to work so the Feds must pay them to survive.
     
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    Why is it Trump's supporters always want to talk about Biden? They rarely talk about Trump. Well, I will.

    99 million votes are in already. That 's is 73% of 2016 total. Why? Conronavirus notwithstanding, Americans are in a hurry to vote Trump out of office. Here are some reasons why.

    “The Election should end on November 3rd., not weeks later!” Trump has stated countless times, adding, “Hopefully, the few states remaining that want to take a lot of time after Nov. 3 to count ballots, that won’t be allowed by the various courts.”

    “You would think you want to have the votes counted, tabulated, finished by the evening of Nov. 3,” he said at a recent campaign event.

    "In reality, the scenario Mr. Trump is outlining — every vote in a modern election being “counted, tabulated, finished” by midnight — is not possible and never has been. No state ever reports final results on election night, and no state is legally expected to," the Times.

    Trump didn't know that? My sixth grade neighbor knew that.

    Trump is assailing a decision that allows Pennsylvania’s elections officials to count mailed ballots that are received in the three days after Tuesday’s election. Then our President threatened physical violence if he doesn't get his way.

    Addressing a campaign rally Monday at the airport in Avoca in battleground Pennsylvania, Trump called the situation “very dangerous, and I mean dangerous, physically dangerous,” President Trump.

    Following that revealing statement, our President then threatened the governor of Pennsylvania.

    The Independent reports, "Trump has warned the governor of Pennsylvania that he and his supporters are “watching” him, in a thinly-veiled threat on the eve of the election."

    “You look at what’s going on in Philadelphia - we’re watching you, governor,” the President said.

    Then he added, "Make sure your governor doesn’t cheat, because they are known for very bad things here. But we have a lot of eyes watching, a lot of very powerful eyes here. They don’t want that to happen.”

    To Trump supporters: Here is your chance to talk about Trump. Can anyone explain his or her reasons for voting for Trump?

    Responses are not expected. Trump's followers attempt to avoid Trump as much as possible. One can hardly blame them?
     
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    No, the human soul is as expansive and creative as its creator, and every man WANTS to work.

    Witness the terror experienced by those faced with redundancy or unemployment. The long term unemployed of course show the resulting demoralization, and decent into criminality (hence the high incarceration rates of the generationally unemployed).

    But on earth, instinctive, self-interested survival mechanisms (based in the basal ganglia) and the resulting competition for resources result in power structures that are inimical to a shared prosperity.

    I like Christ's teachings, as they have come down to us in the NT.

    But 'prosperity-gospel' (money loving), evangelical Christian Church wouldn't know Christ if it fell over him...
     
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    So all men work and nobody goes hungry.

    You are the first Democrat to tell us that.
     
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    I don't know how many times I have asked this over the years.

    Just how dumb is Trump?

    I only know I have never gotten a response from Trump's supporters. They must be in agreement with what I have said in the past.

    Just how dumb is Trump? Dr. Fauci is perhaps the number one expert on epidemiology. Trump stopped listening to him months ago, blames Dr. Fauci for the pandemic's effect on the nation's economy, and recently hinted at firing him.

    Dr. Fauci has been replaced by Dr. Atlas who is not an epidemiologist, doesn't know beans about epidemiology, but has one huge major qualification. Trump likes what Atlas has to say.

    Now we get to the really stupid part.

    Atlas is now Trump's chief advisor on the Covid-19 pandemic, and Trump allowed Atlas to appear on a Russian network, the Kremlin's main propaganda arm into the U.S.

    Don't believe me? I can hardly blame you. A White House advisor appearing on Russian propaganda television is pretty outrageous, but Trump let it happen. I will allow an expert reveal the details.

    NPR writes, "White House coronavirus adviser Dr. Scott Atlas apologized on Sunday for doing an interview with Russia's state-backed RT network, saying he "was unaware they are a registered foreign agent."

    "RT, formerly known as Russia Today, is an international television and digital news network financed by the Russian government. The production company behind its U.S. arm, RT America, registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act in 2017, meaning its content is labeled as propaganda.

    "In the interview published Saturday, Atlas downplayed the severity of the U.S. coronavirus surge and said that lockdowns aimed at curbing the spread of COVID-19 are "not impactful" and "killing people."

    "The lockdowns will go down as an epic failure of public policy by people who ... were wrong, refused to accept they were wrong, didn't know the data, didn't care, and became a frenzy of stopping COVID-19 cases at all costs and those costs are massive," Atlas said.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/01/9301...for-interview-with-kremlin-backed-news-outlet

    I told you Trump liked what Atlas had to say.

    Trump hinted at firing Dr. Fauci? Good Lord, what an administration. Wow!
     
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    Your own side keeps ignoring you. Why would we not do the same?
     
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    Yes, Trump's mafia mentality is fully on show here, acting like the local 'protection' and enforcement racketeer.
     
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    In fact the industrial revolution, including the industrial furnace, the steam engine, and manufacturing began in the early 18th century long before Marx or the founding of the USA. Corporate monopolies existed as early as the 17th century.

    Jefferson addressed the failure of the proposed COTUS to address the threat of monopoly capitalism shortly after the American Revolution.

    “I will now add what I do not like. First, the omission of a bill of rights, providing clearly, and without the aid of sophism, for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction of monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury, in all matters of fact triable by the law of the land, and not by the laws of nations.”
    THOMAS JEFFERSON, Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1787
    http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/connections/thomas-jefferson/file.html
     
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    "An economy that works for all" is Bernie Sanders' motto, which he has been saying for ages.
     
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    America's corrupt ruling political class is very bipartisan. Surely you have noticed.

    “The system is functioning precisely how they want it to function. Gridlock, complex laws, highly technical bills, and regulations that target specific groups have a commercial purpose for the Permanent Political Class.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 8.

    Most professional politicians are in it for the money. Joe Biden is crooked, but not exceptionally crooked - for a politician.
     

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