IT'S OVER: Biden defeats Trump as US voters take the rare step to remove an incumbent president

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cancel first!
     
  2. Curious Always

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    Yes - we are 50 individual states, and we have a lot of autonomy.

    Each state makes it's own election rules.

    I have only registere for a particular party to vote for someone (or against someone,) in the primary.

    I'm currently a democrat, because I wanted to vote against Clinton in the 2008 primary. I was a republican before that, because I wanted to vote for Ron Paul in a primary.

    When I lived in Illinois, on primary day, you just showed up to the poll and asked for whichever ballot you want. In Florida, you have to be registered

    It's not a big deal - both parties know that's what people do. It's not a private club - you can change your mind as often as you want.

    In states that have different ballots, only one ballot per person.
     
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    When you say you're currently a Democrat, and previously you were currently a Republican, how do you have to register or record that with some kind of authority, or is it something you carry in your head as it were?
     
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    I remember the days when I considered Guiliani one of the "saner Republicans"...

    My have the mighty have fallen...
     
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    There was definitely fear of Trump violence.

    Make no mistake, soon dear leader will call for his idiot base to "take action". Right now they are "standing down".

    Take a look at some right wing forums on the internet (this one included), these potbellied dolts are ready for civil war. Bad thing for them is...they are outnumbered.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Strongly implied, don't be literal.
     
  7. Curious Always

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    I'm registered with the state of Florida.

    It's only relevant during primaries. I hardly ever participate in them. When I want to, I just check and see how I'm currently registered, and just change it if I need.

    I actually did forget this year. I thought I was still a republican, so when I saw I was a democrat, I had to think about it.
     
  8. philosophical

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    Does it matter then if somebody in America wasn't registered as anything, and never registered as anything?
    Simply turn up to vote for whatever, and voted for something, as in one person one vote?
     
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    If you live in a state where party registration is required, and you show up to vote without having done that, you get a ballot that only has non partisan decisions on it; like amendments.

    The primary is the two party's way to decide who to run in the election.
     
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    Oh really? Last I checked, our country did have African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, and Native Americans too. Every citizen contributes to our fabulous nation.
    Sure, pal. He got the majority of the white vote... and he LOST. He is a LOSER! Big L! L. O. S. E. R., LOSER!
    LOL
     
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    Yes, some states have closed primaries. I think it makes sense. Parties are like a club. If a private club holds a meeting to elect the club's president, only members should vote. You wouldn't walk to the street and fish out some passerby to come in and vote too, in the club presidential election. Once a party nominates a candidate, then it makes sense to submit that candidate to the larger public's opinion, in the general elections.

    The advantage of a closed primary, is that it robs from the opponent party, the opportunity to interfere.

    In 2016 I heard of Republicans coming in to vote in the Dem primaries to help select Hillary Clinton, because they correctly believed that she would be a weaker candidate against Trump. This kind of interference is preposterous, and is more likely to happen if a candidate secures a nomination early. From that point on, that party's members are free to go interfere with the other party, to select the least competitive candidate.

    In most world democracies, there aren't primaries. Parties internally meet and select the candidates they want to propose to the public. Over here, the primaries are a concession. They are not mandatory. They weren't the case in the past, and there is nothing in the Constitution that requires primaries.

    Actually I think that primaries end up fostering extremist ideology. Tea Party, ultra-progressives, these people make noise in the primaries even thought they are in the minority within their parties, and in order to win the primaries, candidates adapt to that extreme ideology. Then it's a strange exercise, when they try to shift back to the center in the general elections.

    It's the problem with our de facto bipartisan system. If we had more party with better ideological identities, this wouldn't be a problem. The radical left would have their own party and would propose their radical socialist candidate. The far right would propose their white supremacist candidate. Most of the other sane Americans would then reject them, and pick someone in the center left, center, and center right range. These winning candidates wouldn't have to pay lip service to the extremists, in order to win primaries.
     
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    This is what I was referring to. Doesn't have one thing to do with stuttering. It has to do with dimentia! And he's done it more than once!https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...0C630D94B7D7EB54ECC60C630D94B7D7E&FORM=VDQVAP. Those are the facts. No petty insults! Carry on
     
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    She was selected for two reasons, she is female and not white. She got her "career" not by a means other young women should not aspire too. She was totally rejected in the primaries not even making it to the first one. And no I do not judge ALL minorities by her alone, that would be highly bigoted. Believe it or not just as with whites some minorities are not as intelligent, hard working and capable as anyone else and some use less than admirable means to gain power and position.
     
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    Strongly implied to those with a TDS filter maybe! (as I said, "one step at a time" we're making you honest)
     
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    Pence is Pence and Romney is Romney.

    "I can't wait for a Pence presidency, all the sound policies of the Trump administration without the Trump baggage."

    Romney was NOT a Trump policy supporter.
     
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    Fair enough. I agree that she probably did things that many look down upon to get a start in her career. However, how many women have been overlooked and discarded because they weren't willing to do certain things for men in power? I am not saying that ALL women face sexual harassment or are victims but MANY are and nobody cares what happens to them (ie. Anita Hill, Monica Lewinsky). Until the workplace can truly be EQUAL wherein women are not hired because of their looks or willingness to provide sexual favors, some are forced into choosing between their morals/values and their ability to advance. That doesn't make it right but it makes it understandable. For example, how often do we hear about the "casting couch"? It's so common there is a phrase for it.

    In other words, at the end of the day, nobody cares HOW someone reached the position that they did. Trump cheated on all his wives and he is still admired by millions of people. Many have sold their souls to reach their goals and many have been left on the poverty line for not being willing to do so. Until we live in a world where intelligent and accomplished women can receive the same "pass" for less than desirable behavior, we cannot claim that ALL have the same access to the "American Dream".
     
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    Did you ever stop to think that maybe I couldn't?
     
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    They're also, fortunately, Americans, and therefore a bit cowardly. Reputations notwithstanding it's one of our more endearing features. Our mouths are a LOT bigger than our intestinal fortitude. It's also one of the few areas where I find more appeal among Republicans than Democrats. Republicans are always spoiling for a fight, which they then back away from. Democrats are the voice of sweet reason, all the while sharpening the knife for your back.
    Parties aren't in the Constitution at all, let alone primaries. Washington and some others warned against Parties.
     
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    Late votes along with votes counted without a Republican poll watcher are the overwhelming majority of votes in PA.
     
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    Oh.... WHEW.... finally someone has proof.

    Source please?
     
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    Pence wasn’t either until he became VP
     
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    OK.
    So you can't turn up to vote in a primary unless you're registered with a party (in most states?)?
    When you say registration is required, does that mean you have to be on some kind of list somewhere (in most states?)?
    Who oversees that list and how secure is such a list if it exists?
    Would it be possible for anybody to examine that list, possibly to see if any person slips through some kind of net, or possibly to get a 'target' list, maybe for advertisers?
     
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    Yeah - I'm not sure how much of his soul that Pence had to sell to the devil.

    He's a hard line Christian - there's no way his lifestyle meshes with a man with six kids from three wives, all of whom he cheated on.

    There's no way, or Pence is a Christian in name only, which is extremely hard to believe. I'll never understand why he took the job.
     
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    It's the secretary of state's job to maintain the list of registered voters and their party preference. R, D, I (Independent.)
    Not all states have party registration.
     
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    Proof will be offered in court cases to come. Courts will decide this not you and I.
     
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