Students Protest Firing of Arkansas Teacher Who Called Lawmakers Out....

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    It seems that when others call Trumpers out, they respond as immature as possible. The discipline I see is the language used, which was wrong.
     
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    You typically do

    I don’t recall it — I doubt it was “virtually” every lefty— but some on the left do agree the only way to cure racism is with more racism which is just absurd.

    That might be what causes the division in you.
    Your perspective is not universal

    This forum, another forum I participate it, I have a few... special... family members, various right wing “journalists”, I am not really into social media outside of my business so I thankfully miss most of that filth — the hundreds cult worship flags or f*** your feeling flags especially did it for me.
     
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    I must have missed where that is what was happening. Can you show that’s what he was doing.

    We do need a serious look at teaching our nation’s history — from the treatment of indigenous peoples all the way through slavery. Too much of it is washed away in order to paint the US as never doing anything really wrong.
     
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    Nah, black people aren't the problem. It's those who continue to enslave them on modern plantations that are the problem. And YES that IS the message of the "1619" project. Typical Marxist strategy. Erase the memory of a nation and divide its people into warring factions. Some of us will stand against those who sell lies and stir discord.
     
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    Canceling this teacher is well deserved, for teaching historical inaccuracies. I'm going to be really blunt: There wasn't even a Continental America in 1619. That is, to be even blunter with you: There wasn't an American rebellion at the time. The colonies were still wholly owned by England, it was the BRITISH Slave trade. In other words, while the Biden Department wants to attack the 1776 document, it is factually CLOSER to reality, as in how it actually happened(regardless of how people would want to tell the story) than the 1619 travesty.

    Remember when Liberals were aghast about teaching creationism? There's more of a merit and a theory to creationism than 1619. To teach 1619, you'd have to teach things that didn't happen and didn't exist.

    The American Revolutionary War started in 1774-75.

    If I had answered any questions with 1619 answers, I would've gotten an F. but that was when we were okay with historical accuracies.
     
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    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The main premise behind the 1619 fantasy is that America actually began with the first landing of slaves in the land. The role of our Founders is discounted altogether and it is replaced with an image of evil.
     
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    At that, that our founders would've had any legal right to reject the slavery system had they the progressive(albeit correct) mindset to do so. They had no more legal right to reject what Britain would do with its slaves, than we had the right to argue for a fair representation in the British Parliament.

    1619 is just an obtuse ignorance of not only American history but world history.
     
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    Both seem to be propaganda for their respective ideologies.

    Creationism is literally teaching thats that didn’t happen and didn’t exist — but I still support teaching creationism as well as all major religious ideology alongside other philosophical courses.

    I was taught Columbus discovered America and Pluto was a planet...
     
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    Are we teaching about America the nation or America the the continent? Are we wanting to discuss how we were founded or just ignore all of that as uncomfortable truths? I think our history should be taught from the earliest point onward.
     
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    Which shows the problem with education if it can be revised constantly(as for the Pluto being a planet thing, it's a relatively minor tit for tat involving Pluto's size, but it most certainly is a part of the solar system.). All I know is that when I went through k-12(graduated in 2010, thank god), we were not taught of an "America" that existed in 1619, it flat out never happened.

    There was a land of the native Americans, the pilgrims were ruling the roost at the time and the UK was dicking over all of us. The Framers nor the United States proper had the relevance, and wouldn't for another century +.
     
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    The answer should be self-evident since you are capable of reading and reiterated that point in your prior post.
     
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    What evidence is there of creationism :)
     
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    Oh, can you explain how this is marxist strategy? Can you point to where it says "modern plantations continue to enslave"?

    Erase the memory or correct the memory so some ancestors revealed for being people of their time and age? When I was born, they were still interviewing former slaves on tv. The memory hasn't been erased, it just that the glorious white propaganda that has become american mythology and history has been revealed for the reality it is. There is no question that large chunks of America was built on the back of slaves. And large chunks of America grew upon the back of jim crow.

    That's reality and poor white snowflakes screaming about their stolen heritage and history is nothing more than lame lamentations of the butthurt.

    And besides don't you know history is written by the victors and according to my history books the slave owners got their arses kicked. Paid rather heavily for it iirc.
     
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    Lol he thinks people being aghast at creationism in schools was just a liberal thing.
     
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    Hmm. It feels like America is finally getting back to its usual routine of dumb and dumber. This guy used his school's email system to make a profanity laced personal attack against state lawmakers? Was he trying to get fired or is he really that dumb?

    As for the state trying to ban the 1619 Project (using the same cowardly method they complain the federal government using to circumvent states' rights), don't those lawmakers know that censoring and banning things are almost the surest way to attract young people into seeking them out? Regardless of what's taught in history classes, I think they should include the same disclaimer my high school history teacher used, that there's always questions and about the veracity of history books and presentations, and a discussion about that should be included in any broad history class.
     
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    Since I'm the one who brought up the analogy, I'll be 200% real: There is no direct evidence of creationism, except one big one: We're here. Are we here just because of the sexual procreative process, or could there be larger plays at work? Creationism isn't just necessarily about the Christian definition of God. Perhaps we ourselves willed our existence(presuming that will exists out of the body of course.). The point is, the theoretical discussion of existence has the groundwork for such theoretical discussion.

    There is no theoretical discussion for 1619, because it never happened. Period. America did not exist. Hell, many of the framers weren't even ALIVE in 1619. I may dislike history as a whole(believing the human race must progress into the future), but if we're going to teach history its only value is in accuracy, not story telling.
     
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    Like the quote from the sixth sense, they see what they want to see.
     
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    Fyi, none of the framers were born in 1619. The colonies were the precursor to the USA. Seems the language for 1619 is the issue.

    Creationism is a religious faith, period.
     
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    I don't understand. What exactly does it say?

    And what does it have to do with white fragility?
     
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    That’s a long winded response to not really respond. Cheers
     
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    If someone gets upset when racists are called discussed they likely identify closely with what racists espouse. As to the last question, I have no Idea — it was brought up by another poster — I had literally never used white fragility in a sentence prior to that interaction
     
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    Thank you for that clarification.

    Personally, when racists are criticized, I chuckle and shake my head at the latest virtue signalling loser.
     
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    You chuckle because people criticize racists? That’s an impressive level of thought. I would have agreed if you said that you chuckle when people criticize others because of perceived racism that doesn’t exist — but to laugh at others because of criticism of actual racism. That’s just bizarre.

    To each their own I guess.
     
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    What is actual racism? The criteria change daily.

    Is it when Tom Brady wins the Super Bowl during Black History Month? Some seen to think so. How is a poor white boy like me supposed to tell?
     
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    Bold: Actually that is exactly what the 1619 project is all about. That slaves built this country and about how bad and evil whites were in those days.

    Rest: The rest is just your strawman argument. Esdraelon never even mentioned blacks being evil or even slightly implied such. That is your own doing.
     

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