World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Collateral Damage

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    Most stoves have fresh air inlets. Circulates room air around the perimeter of the firebox, and back out into the room.
     
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    I hope that's sarcasm.
     
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    If you read up on the issue you would know that the well heads of the natural gas well have frozen.

    Probably some mismanagement as well, but the blame on wind turbines is for the uneducated.
     
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    I've said it about a million times -- the only thing we should be developing right now, and pouring BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of dollars of R&D money into is HYDROGEN FUSION energy production. At some point (SOME point), we're going to pull our heads out of our asses and REALIZE this....

    'Boutique' solutions like solar, wind, burning 'bio-mass', and all this other time-wasting, money-wasting crap isn't going to 'save the day'....
     
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    You've clearly never gone camping and built an open wood fire. There is a surprising lack of wood burning stoves in the middle of nowhere!
     
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    My post was referring to a wood fire while camping which other than creating a "pretty" centrepiece is quite useless at providing any heat if you dont like to burn yourself and the amount of wood you get through is ridiculous
     
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    Sorry, but pointing to an additional problem does not reduce the share of blame for wind turbines.
    Nor does it detract from the delicious irony that coal and nuclear would have sailed right through all this.
     
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    You forgot the marshmallows.... ;)
     
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    The Day After Tomorrow – Dallas Edition
    David Middleton
    Guest “Ice Station Dallas Report” by David Middleton Ice Station Dallas: 15 February 2021, 0630 Current Weather Conditions: 6 °F (-14 °C), 34 °F (10 °C) below “normal.” [Should have…
     
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    Just let us know when you've managed to turn lead into gold
     
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    what's happening in texas right now is a pretty good indicator that you can't rely on JUST solar and wind. They SHOULD be used but we can't rely 100% on them.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never expected you to care about my friend or anyone else for that matter. I know he would have rather gone to meet his maker that way than from China Virus.

    I'll expect to see you prancing about in the woods next fire season shaking your fist at the sky! We need more like you!
     
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    If one lives in a remote cabin or where they can store plenty of wood, that's fine. For me, I kepy my gas stove/oven that has a pilot light, so yrs ago when a blizzard hit about 15 yrs ago, I boiled water on my stove and then places the pots in all the rooms.

    Wood stove is fine for its immediate area, but if you have pipes, then those can freeze. But that is all digression, the storm in TX was very unusual. I do remember Ft Hood getting shut down about 12 yrs due to ice throughout the state.

    Bottom line, one storm should never dictate policy.
     
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    False you must be reading the NYT

    Here is what they said

    "Analysts have begun to identify a few key factors behind the grid failures in Texas. Record-breaking cold weather spurred residents to crank up their electric heaters and pushed demand for electricity beyond the worst-case scenarios that grid operators had planned for. At the same time, many of the state’s gas-fired power plants were knocked offline amid icy conditions, and some plants appeared to suffer fuel shortages as natural gas demand spiked nationwide. Many of Texas’ wind turbines also froze and stopped working, although this was a smaller part of the problem."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/climate/texas-power-grid-failures.html

    First this is NOT the first time Texas, especially West Texas has been hit with below freezing weather and snow and ice where people turn up their electric heaters and won't be the last. Second the gas plants were not "knocked of line amid icy conditions" it was SUPPLY you know that supply the greenies and Biden administration want to further CUT. And "many" is HALF the Texas wind generation which is 25% of their power generation. And the more they move to wind the more this will be a problem.

    As the Dallas Times reports it

    "Wind turbines generate low-cost, pollution-free power, reducing our electricity prices and pushing older, dirtier fossil fuel plants out of service. But like any power source, wind has its downsides. One of the problems over the weekend was the extreme weather in West Texas caused about half of Texas’ wind power capacity to freeze. Wind turbines represented a portion of the power generators that went down; natural gas was also in short supply for power plants, as utilities put a priority on supplying natural gas to residential customers for heating."
    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...as-needs-renewables-nuclear-and-fossil-fuels/

    So who are you going to believe, a writer in NY or the local reporting?

    Now let's get back to building pipelines and fracking so we don't have natural gas shortages
     
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    No one likes coal anymore.
     
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    How true ! Even St Nick is no longer giving bad boys and girls a lump of coal in their Christmas stockings anymore.

    I guess Santa is just gone sodtband liberal. LOL
     
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    Except, apparently, the Chinese and the Indians.
     
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    Ehh... I think at least one of them will slip through the cracks fairly quickly.
     
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    No!!! It is climate change now! That way any weather event can be blamed on carbon. Mudslides, rain, snow, hurricane etc.
     
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    I should have phrased differently perhaps such as does the difference between 19 and 20 really make a huge historic difference in the outcome?
    Back in the 1990's or so I was at a sales meeting in Dallas in February and of course we had a golf outing scheduled. Well single digits hit with an ice storm so of course that got cancelled so they were trying to come up with something to do and one guy who lived there said "Hey I have my new 4 wheel drive such and such truck that can take about 7 people. Now I'm a Southern boy but I lived 2 1/2 winters in Chicago so with at least some experience and along with a few other northerners advised him that his 4 wheel drive was not going to help him on ice and in fact could be worse. Naw he said I already talked to my buddies. Well guess what was on the news that night, all those 4 wheel drive trucks off in the ditches because those boys just didn't know how to drive on ice and that their big 4 wheel drives weren't going to help them.
     
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    These blackouts never happened before all this green energy crap. Oh wait:
    1998
    https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/24/us/icy-storm-system-sweeps-the-country-south-is-hit-hard.html

    1997
    https://apnews.com/article/c7105bf4674e1aca7ec6f36c9d3e7819
     
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    Would you like to go back to the good old days?
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    Key word "the" room.
     
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    What happens when you are running your wind mill and the blades start to ice up and not in a balance manner? Ever hung a ceiling fan and then turned it on first time to watch wobble? Imagine that on a 30ft windmill. What's it doing to the internal bearings and mounting? The generator it is turning? And you deice them and they immediately start to ice up again and that's ONLY if you can even get the deicing equipment and gallons of solutions to them. And it's not just the blades that were freezing up. How much has to be invested in such equipment and who pays for it government subsidies?
     
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    One room... leads to another.... (bet you sang that)
     

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